I recently bought a couple of "Top Choice" 2x4's from Lowes. (No not for
furniture). While I was ripping one of the boards I head a strange sound.
As it turns out, there was a 15 or 16 ga finish nail embedded in the board
(not visible from the outside of the board, unless you were expecting
something like that and were looking for it). It looks like a 2 inch (or so)
chunk of the end of the board had split (not completely off), and was
nailed back in place. The things some people will do to save a $3.00
Fortunately I did not notice any damage to my WWII. Lowes was very
apologetic, and offered to "try and replace the blade", but the manager was
pretty sure they could not get a Forrest blade.
Anyway, just another reason to stay away from the Borgs.
First of all, I doubt lowe's purposely placed the brad in the board. Do you
expect them to check all of their lumber for brads? Accidents happen.
Secondly, I highly doubt a brad would inflict much damage on your Forrest.
I own forrest blades and have on occassion accidently cut through nails. No
noticeable damage. That's what carbide tips are for.
Long story short, such an instance would not keep me from shopping at lowe's
or the borg. Just my opinion.
lowes and HD are great for I need it now, I can't wait, it's like buying
something from the gas station, some things are sold at a good price, most
are not, I do like HD cull lumber bin though, lots of nice odds and ends
for next to nothing
Just curious... at HD, how do you tell the difference between the cull lumber
and the regular stock?
Last week, I needed thirty 2x4x8'. Got what I needed at Lowe's, setting aside
only three pieces that I didn't care for, to get 30 that I liked. A couple
days later, I discovered I had miscalculated, and needed 3 more. To get to
Lowe's, I have to go past an HD, so I stopped at HD first. Set aside nine
pieces with *serious* defects before finding one acceptable piece. After
setting aside ten *more* without finding another good one, I gave up and went
to Lowe's -- where the first three I picked up were just fine.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
Slowhand, it's guys like you who are the dream of mass merchandisers
whose sole interest is in sales per sq. ft. Of course they didn't
deliberately put a nail in a 2x4 so they could wreck someone's
expensive sawblade. But the point is that they are totally
contemptuous of their customers.
Back when there were still neighborhood hardware stores in America all
you had to do was to go to any one of them to have a piece of glass
cut to measure. Slowhand, have you tried to get a piece of glass cut
lately at one of the borgs you are so fond of?
Or have you read about the number of people who have been killed at
Home Depot because of carelessly stacked shelves or lumber racks.
Some have claimed that HD has a deliberately policy of not doing
anything about stacking shelves safely because it would be more
expensive for them to do this than to pay out the numerous death and
accident claims which they use every trick in their lawyers' arsenal
to keep to a minimum. Doubt what I'm saying? Juse do a google search
and read about the people who have been killed in HDs. Probably at
Lowes too. I just haven't done a search on Lowes.
I was motivated to look into this after two store employes were
carelessly stacking 5-gal roofing tar buckets and one of them fell
from the top shelf and almost hit me. My trousers got sprayed with
tar. I guess I could have demanded a new pair of trousers but having
heard about their policies I decided the juice would not be worth the
squeeze. Hell, they were old trousers anyway.
The borgs were all about low prices when they were first taking over
the country. Funny, you never hear about their low prices anymore.
There are only two of them left and they either collude on price
setting or they watch one another very closely. There's no real
competition between them and the consumers are the ones who have been
hurt by the phenomenon of big box merchandising. Occasionally I have
the real pleasure of going into one of the few surviving old-fashioned
hardware stores left in America. Somehow the ones that have survived
manage to offer their customers a real choice--several brands of most
items. These borgs squeeze the vendors for the best possible deal in
exchange for handling the vendors product exclusively. You, the
consumer, don't end up with a lower price--you just end up with less
choice. The price differential goes into the pockets of the borgs.
And, the way it looks the same thing is going to happen with web
purchases of tools. It seems that whenever I am looking for a good
price through a web search I click on some so-called tool vendor and I
find myself directed directly to Amazon. I believe they (Amazon) is
using these fictituous names, i.e., ABCTools.com (made up name) to
direct shoppers directly to them. Once they have the control HD and
Lowes have you will see what will happen to prices.
I am really amazed at the naivte of people who defend HD and Lowes.
Do they not know the meaning of self interest. If Teddy Roosevelt
(the famous 19th C. trust buster) were around today we would see
legislation to brings these merchandising monopolists under control
because they are truly bad for the country.
Just imagine the difficulty a small manufacturer turning out a really
helpful and needed product would have in introducing his product when
everything is controlled by just two retailers. Do you think this is
good for you, the consumer, or for America?
However, I am not completely pessimistic. I see now an opportun ity
for an enterprising entrepreneur to establish a quality, well stocked
hardware store in major metropolitan areas. I have noted that there
is usually one survivor in most large cities. Of course it is not
going to be easy for them because the borgs will increasingly put the
squeeze on manufacturers to obtain items at a cost so much lower than
the small guy can get that they too will be finally squeezed out. But
I am always amazed when I go into one of these well stocked, old
fashioned hardware stores and find three times the selection in half
the floor space. These small operators know that they have to cater
to their customers. Do you think the borgs give a damn? They do not
and they will not so long as people accept their practices. And
judging from the favorable comments I read about them in thesre NGs I
seem to be part of a definite minority. I know we can't turn the
clock back and we can not fight progress but these borgs in no way
represent progress--just greed and contempt for their customers and
more than likely for their employees and their suppliers.
Flames will be cheerfully filed.
Amazon offers a small percentage to websites who link to their website
when a sale is made through that link. Thousands of web sites have sprung
up hoping to make a few bucks by linking to Amazon's website.
So, that explains it. Thanks for letting me know. But, isn't the
effect still the same--isn't the movement toward monopoly with one or
two retailers having such power over the manufacturer that they can
set the price and their profit margins?
That's certainly <not> true...but their customers are those who are
looking for ordinary items at cheap prices, just like those who shop at
Wally-World. As long as the mass market is enamored of thinking they're
saving a penny over their local independent, the large retailer will
thrive. They (the merchandisers) are quite interested in their
customers, it's that they have a particular class of customer in which
they <are> interested.
I live in a very small town (2000). If I want anything I have to go to the
next town population about 35000. There are three hardware stores there I
can think of off hand and yes, there is also a Lowes. Your idea of the small
hardware store being almost extinct is bull.
You've never noticed the number over the entrance?
Berlin, CT, has "225". I've been told this is the number of customers
who have gone in and not come out.
Stay away from stores with numbers like 10497 over the door!
Exactly, I live in Houston. Houston has surrounded several small towns.
Southwest of Houston is a small city called. Stafford. The only thing that
separates them is the city limits line. In Stafford there is a Court's
hardware. Court's has been around a long long time and is family owned.
Court's is growing steadily and is cheaper than Lowe's and HD and every one
there, probably 11 employee's, can point you or advise you correctly every
time. HD and Lowe's has only sucked up the hardware stores that were
destined to fail. There are at least 4 HD's and Lowe's within 15 minutes of
that great hardware store.
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