Electric cars - running costs.

My preference is to be toasty in winter and cool in summer!

Never been 'a biker' then Andy? ;-)

Cheers

Point I was making is many will have a different view of what makes a car a dream to drive.

Please don't lets get back on to torque again. You know it upsets so many. ;-)

So no heating or air con when stopped?

Thing is many get pleasure from an IC car with a sweet clutch and gearbox. The noise the engine may make even if very low.

Not sure I'd fancy wearing goggles each time I went for a drive. But what you're saying there is why I've bought a 'sports car'. The difference being it open up at the touch of a button. ;-)

Then buy a better car. Noisy engines and heavy clutches aren't intrinsic.

Going to help with that time it spends queued up waiting for a charging point to become free - as I saw the other day. Interesting you think it drives itself though, so you could do something like eat a sandwich at the same time. I'd actually find that rather difficult even as a passenger in a car accelerating hard.

The majority of cars have an auto option these days - and is the norm on high performance ones. Although you can also control the gearshifts yourself.

They make pretty good drag racers:

Yeah he's the guy from the Tesla racing channel - loads of interesting drag vids

Including using different words. ;-)

I find the seat very comfortable. Yes, I find it very warm too. ;-)

;-)

Nope, as there isn't any in the first place. ;-)

If you think about it, for most people that would need to be so smooth as completely unnoticeable, a bit like an electric car in fact. ;-)

Again, like passive smoking, only because that's what some people have learned to accept as 'normal'. I bet for the vast majority, 'no noise at all' would be better still.

Whilst I do appreciate the sound of an IC engine now and again, I've never really *enjoyed* the sound ... or having to hear the sound on anything, the 'noise' being more intrusive (to me and everyone else) than the 'buzz'. I learned this very early on when both racing RC boats and on my first moped. An RC Catamaran with a 'Webra 61 Speed rear' in the back, even doing silly mph would be more tolerated if it was quiet. You could make it reasonably quiet and still allow it to churn out ~2hp at 17,000 rpm!

It took the baffles out of my first moped, ran it about for a day and put them back in, never taking them out again as I couldn't bear the constant noise. Similar with the factory exhaust on the kitcar which was way too loud for me, quickly replaced with a slightly shortened but otherwise stock (and quiet) stainless steel system. ;-)

For me (and many others I expect), most of what many consider to be part of their enjoyment (exhaust noise) is sound pollution to others and I don't miss it at all when driving / riding an EV.

It just needs sun glasses as I'd have the screen and soft top up and doors on if the weather wasn't reasonable.

More stuff to go wrong (and I only have to release two catches that I bet would be quicker than most electrics). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Like I said, even an automatic RR Ghost wasn't as seamless to drive as my old EV ... I could still feel and hear the gear changes for example.

Cheers, T i m

And in the winter the most important function of the heater is to keep the windscreen clear.

And your old EV was every bit as comfortable? ;-)

Best to compare apples with apples.

No EV is going to be totally silent. There will be road and wind noise. Just how the combination of sounds it makes on the move delights or offends is going to depend on individual taste.

Yes but at the moment where I have a flat in london there are only two charge points close one is a 35Kw the other is 75Kw but is out of service perhaps in the future there will be more fast charge points but dont they still take 40 minutes fo 80pc charge in reality if elec are the only cars you will be able to drive in large towns in the future you would need many more then one charge point per road can you imagine a petrol station in london or anywhere else where every car took 40minutes to refill

Specious argument. Petrol stations are designed to refill petrol.

What you would have would be a multistorey car park with a substation built in.

All right then. Back to horses and carts. I know that's what all the greenies want.

Bill

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Electric traction is undoubtedly more suitable than the ICE for transport. The problem is all to plain to see. It takes less than 5 minutes to take on board enough fuel for 500 miles+. In liquid form, the source of that energy can be easily transported around the supply network and stored on multiple sites ready for use. The electricity distribution network is nowhere near substantial enough to cope with demand for all-electric vehicles regardless of where you charge them. I wonder has any clever economist calculated the total cost of waiting 20 minutes to charge your car rather than 5 - assuming you can get on to a charging point of course? There is little as yet on the horizon which suggest the storage problem will be solved any day soon BICBW.

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Except in a LR Defender/Series

In my opinion and preference, yes.

I was, I was agreeing with happy in that the 'drive' part of 'driving both cars', my EV is just as good at the RR.

Ok ...

Then that's not the fact that it's electrically driven but that it's a mass going though the air on tyres. It makes *no noise* compared with any IC car (that will also be making those noises but will also be making *extra* noises because it's an IC car).

Quite ... and for me as someone (ideally) looking to get me and my goods from A to B as efficiently and silently as possible, 'no sounds at all' would be ideal [1] just like I don't really want to hear my fridge or washing machine in action?

And why would *anyone* want anything different, just in the same way as why would you want to such the smoke from burning leaves into your lungs? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Pretty difficult to explain to someone who obviously isn't a keen driver.