Don't scrap that diesel car just yet!!

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but cannot be retro-fitted
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On 29/04/2018 14:20, tim... wrote:

Where does it say that?
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dennis@home wrote:

"While the system cannot be retrofitted to old cars, it is based on already-existing components and is available immediately. It can be incorporated into car makers’ production projects,..."
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That link more useful and accessible, lots of convoluted links though, which are a pain when you have to wade through them. Sounds to me like a kind of recycling of the exhaust to try to make other components instead. Anyone know what exactly the new exhaust artefacts are? Need to be wary, as we have been burned before with cfcs etc when a new problem came to light. Brian
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Brian Gaff wrote:

Diesel cars have used exhaust gas recycling for several years, is this just a tweak to that?
All these "eco" tweaks do give more things to go wrong later, EGR valves get gunked up, particulate filters can get full of ash if not given an Italian tune-up often enough
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Doesn’t say that, and it says that no new hardware is needed and so it obviously can be retrofitted.
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On 29/04/2018 21:17, Rod Speed wrote:

Maybe to a new car. If we end up with a system where diesel cars with unsatisfactory emissions are not allowed in some urban areas will they know if a particular car has this modification?
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They'll go from the number plate - same as all such things. A decent database will give all the details of your car from just that.

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On 30/04/2018 17:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The EU are putting satellites in orbit that can detect NO2.
One day they could identify every vehicle emitting excess pollution in real time and read its number plate and take a photo of the driver too. And its not science fiction, there are spy satellite up there that have this capability already (but no-one will admit it).
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On 30/04/2018 18:11, Andrew wrote:

Thats actually a bit far fetched. The number plates would be unreadable from space due to the angle of viewing.
However you should be worried as there are already systems that can read exhaust pollution as the vehicle passes and ANPR works with them. Maybe they will use them more after the new MOT starts?
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On 30/04/2018 16:27, Michael Chare wrote:

They will use ANPR or a tag like the London congestion charge. They may or may not allow you to register your car as OK. It won't be free if they do, disabled can register with TfL and not pay the congestion charge but there is a fee to do so.
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On 30/04/2018 17:25, dennis@home wrote:

An unknown number of HGV's that are supposedly clean enough to enter the London Congestion zone have been fitted with Ad-blu cheat devices that are very difficult to detect. This can save the operator many £thousands per year.
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On 30/04/2018 18:14, Andrew wrote:

Adblu costs pence so why would an operator risk fines and back charges by using a cheat device. Adblu is only urea in water not some expensive magic. The packaging for retail costs more than the stuff inside.
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On 30/04/2018 21:31, dennis@home wrote:

Why not just piss in the tank?
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Doesn’t have to be to a new car. If VW can be forced to reprogram their diesels so they don’t deliberately flout the emission rules, no reason why they couldn’t reprogram their systems to use the new approach if no new hardware is required.

Depends on how the legislation is done on where diesels are allowed.
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From the people who made the test cheating engine management for VW. Very good.
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:01:41 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You could see it that way, Dave. I see them more as industry leaders.
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On 29/04/2018 15:01, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

They make the management units for lots of manufacturers, they don't do the software or mapping for them AFAIK.
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Don't really see how the two can be totally independant.
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