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Correct about solar and wind but it is of interest that TVA pumps back water at night when electric use is low.

[Ed Pawlowski]

No simple answer but we need more non fossil fueled power plants. Once demand is there, supply can and will be built. The worst thing to do is nothing.

With CA forcing people into EVs they have to support them. Same as gas stations grew over the past 100 years.

[Ed Pawlowski]

You have a lot of plans for nukes. Better get them started to be ready in time. This is the time needed for construction, the permitting process can be very long too.

How long does it take to build a new power plant?

40-60 months If we're talking actual construction time of a nuclear power plant, it's a bit of a long endeavor and depends on the design. Generally, plant construction can take 40-60 months from the first concrete pour to the end of construction when fuel is loaded.

[Joey]

Fuck all of the country gets their electricity from operations that do that.

[rbowman]

Which also takes out the circulating pumps and so forth. I've got a Mr. Heater for days like that.

[Joey]

Yes there is, nukes.

And they should be nukes, not stupid wind farms which don?t provide reliable power and f*ck the environment and not solar farms which only produce enough electricity for a part of the day.

It already is, almost everyone heats their house in winter and most cool it in summer.

No one who matters is suggesting doing nothing.

Bet they don?t and the whole thing ends up a complete shambles like it is now. Because they are doing the wrong thing.

Nothing like that in fact. That was never done centrally.

[rbowman]

The company I worked for installed the Trabon lubrication systems in the station so I got to tag along with the crew supervisor. It's impressive if you don't think too hard about being 700' under a lake.

But, germane to the thread, the scheme depended on excess generating capacity at night. 100,000 Teslas plugged in overnight in the Connecticut valley is going to alter that situation.

[rbowman]

And as I pointed out in another post the pumped storage schemes like Northfield Mountain will take a hit.

[Joey]

There is no rush.

It wasn?t for those with a clue like France until they were actually stupid enough to let the EU tell them how nukes must be done.

Not in china. You lot should look at how they do them. And that?s nothing like the time needed to produce viable EV designs anyway.

So use the best designs. Not rocket science.

And that?s nothing like the time needed to produce viable EV designs anyway.

[rbowman]

Tennessee was late to the party.

I was wandering around that plant while Tennessee was still digging a hole in the ground. But yes, if a significant load is added during what was off peak hours more generation capacity is needed.

[rbowman]

CA has pretty much tapped out their hydro potential. They import power from the PNW but the Seattle granola heads will need to plug their Teslas in too.

Diablo is going off line and I doubt they will ever allow another nuclear plant to be built in the state.

Solar is producing about 20% of their requirements so they'd better pave the Mojave with panels. The residential mandate will drive up the cost of their already unaffordable housing.

Wind power generation is currently less than 10%.

I've got an idea. Bicycles, lots and lots of bicycles.

[rbowman]

Any technology you foresee is going to be online faster? The same crowd that doesn't want a nuke in their backyard isn't going to want a wind farm or solar installation either. Good luck at turning every roof in LA into a solar generating station.

[Tekkie©]

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Yeah! They only time they put the foot on the pedal is when they cut you off to get a parking space.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Nothing is faster but when do we start? You really have to look to the future and plan for it. There is good reason I don't live in CA. They should be building nukes now if they want to transition to EVs.

Like it or not, they are coming and we don't have the infrastructure to support it. Sorry folks, but you will have nukes and windmills in the backyard. Or it will be very dark riding your bike to the store.

[Ed Pawlowski]

You won't have to but your grandkids may. Another option, not yet feasible is solar and batteries. Maybe in 20 or 50 years it will work.

[gfretwell]

Most of us won't see anything, we will be dead

[Joey]

They should be building nukes and stop pissing all that natural gas against the wall generating electricity with it and heating their houses, water and food with it. No downsides at all compared with stupid EVs.

Not in enough numbers to matter without stupid subsidies.

So shouldn?t be pushing them with subsidies.

Only nukes and no need for them to be in the backyard.

[gfretwell]

I know what you are saying but that is just a fad and I expect the pickup truck thing to go the way of the "van" fad. I was talking about those who need a truck to haul big boats, RVs or those who work in the construction/maintenance business.

50 years from now? I don't buy green bananas ;-)

Realistically energy is always going to be an issue and until we start working on nuke plants that are acceptable to the masses it will continue to be a problem. The biggest problem right now is distribution and the people who need new transmission lines the most are the ones least likely to want one in their back yard. We transitioned a lot of abandoned rail lines to electric and internet fiber right of way and now the tree huggers want the rails back. Nobody is going to be willing to give up land in populated places for either of those in the quantity that is needed.

[Joey]

Nukes work right now and much better than solar and batteries can ever do.

[gfretwell]

If there was significant consumer demand, we wouldn't need all the subsidies ... ... AKA welfare for the rich.