If I had no other way to feed my family, yes I'd work for 4 or 5 bucks an
hour. No, it's better a portion of our society has the mentality not to work
for minimum wages so they sponge off the rest of the taxpayers by collecting
welfare. If they were told they have to do these jobs before they received
all the freebies they get then we'd have people to do those jobs.
If, by some miracle, all "illegal" immigrants were stopped at border, or
deported, you and/or your kids would have no choice but to take these farm
jobs, eventually, unless you thing cucumbers are going to dance into baskets
without help. THAT is the point here. Give most teens the choice of working
in a nice air conditioned supermarket, or breaking their backs in a field,
and I'm pretty sure they'll choose the supermarket (or mall, etc).
And what about the people on the public dole? Many of them are physically
able to work but don't because the checks keep coming in. What if you told
them they had to work the fields in order to get the handouts? They'd have
no choice if the checks stopped. And no, I'm not talking about sick,
handicapped, mentally ill, etc. I'm talking about able people who do nothing
but milk the system.
You want supporting facts? Do you live anywhere near farms which use
seasonal laborers? Stop by during the harvest season and ask the farmer or
foreman if you can talk to some of the "American" kids from the surrounding
school districts. You'll be lucky to find any.
I think you may be living in a squeaky clean world, and you've never
actually seen how your food gets to the supermarket.
Illogical, but I'll play anyway. Let's say that by some miracle, all
immigrants were infused with perfect English skills as they crossed the
border. Since you've said that language is the key to better jobs, perhaps
none of these people would accept farm jobs. Who do you think would fill the
Talk about illogical. First of all no one is suggesting that everyone
will know upon arrival. That was never a requirement in any of the other
great waves of immigration. But the expectation was that they would
learn. Secondly "perhaps none of these would accept" farm jobs is a
strawman of Kong-like proportions.
Let's not consider the strawman to be an evil thing in such a discussion.
People here are suggesting that the reason immigrants dominate farm labor is
because they don't speak English. It's not much of a stretch to ask "what
if?" Have you ever listened to, or read transcripts of Supreme Court
proceedings, particularly when they involve sticky legal issues that
nobody's been able to agree on, like the 2nd amendment? These proceedings
are sometimes nothing BUT strawman arguments.
Of course not. This allows to make up all sorts of impossible
scenarios that fit whatever our preconceived notions are. I will say
that you are right, and admit that immigrants will no longer pick
vegetables if you will admit that the wages associated with it will go
up to where American kids will want to do the work. Both are at least as
Hardly. They are always based on what the law says, what the
Congressional debate included, writings of learned scholars, etc.
I suppose wages might go up, although the subsequent chain of events would
be interesting, to say the least. I'm referring to the ripple effect in
terms of food prices. People who don't allow for this possibility are
usually those who think grocers have enormous profit margins and have plenty
of room to absorb price swings.
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