trader_4 wrote, on Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:01:32 -0700:
The problem with the Hertz water tank trucks is that they only have
2,000 gallons, which (a) requires a class A license, and (b) they say
they would never recommend you drink out of it because they're mostly
used as sprayers at construction sites.
Hertz Equipment Rental 408-451-9320
Which brings up another question: So how long before even the deeper wells
run dry? I've read this is not just a drought-induced issue but that the
water table in that area has been receding for decades due to groundwater
pumping. There are also some interesting geological questions relating to
whether an ever-smaller water table might have an effect on future
<<"When humans deplete groundwater," said Benoit, "the amount of mass or
material in Earth's crust is reduced. That disrupts Earth's force balances,
causing uplift of nearby mountains and reducing a force that helps keep the
San Andreas fault from slipping." >>
We've seen that fracking induces earthquakes, albeit small ones, but I think
the jury's still out on what effect all the water-shifting that goes on in
that part of the country will have in the long run.
It's important to remember that areas of lush vegetation have become deserts
in very short geological timespans because of volcanic eruptions or other
major events. You don't have to go very far inland in California to find
plenty of deserts.
It won't be long before we start strapping huge engines on icebergs and
steering them toward Califonia to keep the nation's agriculture center
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote, on Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:39:22 -0700:
The way it works here is that each homeowner has their own well, so,
there wouldn't be any sharing of drilling costs.
I have two wells, for example. Neither one puts out more than a few
gallons before shutting off lately.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:18:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Note that it's not just the distance, it's the height. Danny is
talking about 5 miles at 9% grade. Maybe the 5 miles isn't all on the
grade, but it sounds like his 'hood may be 2000' above that closest
muni water. It takes 1000 psi to raise water 2000'. Therefore it would
not just be a matter of running pipe, it would also require new pumps
-- either pipe to handle 1000 psi and a very hefty pump, or normal
pipe and several stages of pumps.
I'd not considered the altitude question. That
does cause all kinds of problems, trying to get
Ideally if each HO brought home 10 gal of water
with each trip to town. But, back to my experience
with the family with bad well water. Few people
have that mental capacity, even when she goes out
and puts the jugs on their car seats.
Oh, and if you use that 1000 gallon tank ... remember that unless it
has internal baffles, it must be FULL while you are driving.
Otherwise, the sloshing will turn your truck over or drag the tank off
the truck. And this is a big problem since you are planning to empty
it in several stages. You could try driving very slowly when it's not
full, but given the kind of terrain you are talking about, I suspect
that won't be enough.
Perhaps you can get a tank with baffles. I suspect that $500 won't buy
it, but I could be wrong.
Or you could simply deliver each full load to just one resident. With
the size tanks you are talking about, you'd have to do some planning,
but it sounds feasible.
Danny says most HO have 10,000 gal tanks at home,
so delivery of complete load doesn't sound like a
problem. Sloshing is a major problem when turning
corners. Every now and again, a fire department
flips a tanker, cause of the slosh baffle problem.
As former volunteer FF, and having taken some fire
protection courses, I remember lift takes 0.434 PSI
per foot of rise. Sounds like you're better off
driving than pumping.
I paid 3.69 for cheap nolead yesterday, and it's
more like 3.89 in some places, here (western NY),
IIRC. I think California with the botique designer
low smog fuels cost a pile more than NYS.
So, you'd best to budget a LOT for motor fuel on
your project. Driving water uphill is not going to
be the same as one frail gramma in a Prius. Might
get dual 1,000 gal tanks, one white for potable
water, other red for gasoline.
Why on earth would you need that much capacity?
If you have a well system that *normally* doesn't run dry, then why
would you need so much storage capacity for potable water?
And how would you keep the tanks clean enough (and the water clean
enough) to drink or cook with so much stored water?
What exactly is this water used for? Household stuff?
I thought the point of this whole thing was to rent a single water meter
and an inexpensive transportation system to convey the water to multiple
people. If a large truck + tank would cost 10 times as much as a
smaller tank on a trailer pulled by your own PU, then maybe a few round
trips to each person with the smaller tank would still end up costing
less than dragging around the 5k gallon truck.
the only guy I knew who actually had to do this had a water tank in his
pickup truck, not too large, and filled it up at work. No mileage costs. I
assume he paid back his employer, or maybe the employer suggested it as a
low cost fringe benefit.
On Friday, June 27, 2014 2:16:36 PM UTC-7, DannyD. wrote:
<snip> > Any other helpful suggestions for me to provide to the neighbors for trucking
From the description of the problem (which apparently will be on-going and not getting better, it is time for that community to get together for a LID (local Improvement District) and run a pipeline those 5 miles for a permanent connection.
Cost of the 5 miles in equipment and pipe would soon amortize over the hauling, rental, etc. Right Of Way acquisition would be the deal breaker probably.
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