By way of comparison, I just got a quote from this water company
for $225 to $250 for 3,800 gallons from a stainless steel truck:
Bay Area Water Trucking, 408-683-0500
So, for example, to fill my pool would take at least ten
truckloads, or about $2,500.
Well, if I am not mistaken, that seems to be the answer to your original
question -- how to truck 1,000 gallons of potable water to a residence.
For 250 bucks you can get almost 4 times the original 1,000 gallons you were
looking for -- and that's the delivered price. So, no meters to buy or
rent, no tanks to buy, no trucks or trailers to rent, etc. If your
neighbors asked you to figure this out, it looks like you just did that for
My vote would be, call Bay Area Water Trucking, write the check, and it's
That's a different question -- how to get 38,000 gallons delivered to fill
On Friday, July 4, 2014 11:10:01 AM UTC-4, TomR wrote:
In fairness to Danny, from the original post, it's obvious it's not
a one time, 1000 gallon problem. CA is in a long term drought, his wells
are running dry and so are his neighbors. The idea was to see if they
could come up with some lower cost solution to span months.
Which reminds me, I wrote a caution. Once the
neighbors find out that Danny is a water hauler,
it will set up an expectation that he will keep
them in water, any time they need.
As with my own water hauling experience, some times
it's better to have a concealed tank, and work out
of sight. A 50 gal tank inside a panel van (with a
pump and hose to your own cistern) may be the way
Yes, but he was trying to figure out the best plan or solution for each
1,000 gallons of water that they need to get up to their location. At $250
for each 3,800 gallon transport, that's way less than any of the other
options that he was looking at, and it involves virtually no labor or
rentals or anything else on their part. At $250 per 3,800 gallon trip,
that's even less than the cost for them to just rent a tank truck and then
they would have to find a commercially licensed driver to drive the rental
truck, do the pumping and metering, etc. I think that he originally thought
that it would cost a lot more than $250 to even get just 1,000 gallons up to
them. So, to me, $250 total for each 3,800 gallon delivery sounds like the
easiest and cheapest option that any of us has come up with. It certainly
beats my "buy 55-gallon drums and make 10 trips of 2 drums at a time in a
pickup truck" idea; or my get a fire truck idea, etc.
I think he found his best option, and that's what his neighbors apparently
asked him to do.
On Friday, July 4, 2014 1:19:45 PM UTC-4, TomR wrote:
He said that with a 1000 gallon tank, they could rent a truck and do
it without a CDL. I don't see how it's less than the cost of a truck.
I don't remember the numbers, but it seems the truck should be $250 for
a day. You could then make many trips to many houses and I would think
it would net out to a lot less than $250 per house. The water itself didn't
cost much, as I recall.
I guess it also depends on how many folks he has in on this, and
how large their tanks are. If he has enough folks and they have big
tanks, eg 5,000 gallons, which it sounded like they do, then renting
a truck could be cheap. You just keep the truck busy all day,
fill a lot of tanks up. But the flip side of that is somebody still
has to do the work. And IDK how long the water lasts before it has
to be done again, etc. You definitely avoid a lot of problems by paying
for the delivery.
I think that he originally thought
I didn't follow the whole thing. Did he try the local fire dept? A lot
of times when there are emergencies like this, they will help out. I
guess it depends on how many people there are, how long, etc. If it's
not that many people, they might be willing to do something.
Or, he could go to the municipal govt. They might have eqpt or be willing
to work to come up with a solution. Another factor he might want to
consider is getting something in place soon. If enough wells go dry,
that water truck might be fully booked, rates might go up, etc.
If they want to go that route, he should get together the neighbors and
see how many are interested at that price point. Then Danny could go to
the water truckers and negotiate a deal for all of them, ie a volume deal.
Danny should bring all his spreadsheets and analytics to the water guy's
office. After an hour or two, the water guy will probably be willing to
give them the water for free just to be done with it. LOL
the long term solution is everyone has a new much deeper well drilled
municipal government gets involved in runnig water lines, including fire hy
drants to the area
This adds protection during wildfires, where often people water down their
own homes to keep them from burning.
another halfway solution is for everyone to add much larger water storage t
anks.. say a 10,000 gallon tank could be fed normally by a well, even a poo
r well would provide some water.
the tank would get filled when necessary.
lets not forget the value of the drivers time to fill tanks and the truck r
ental cost, or the cost of fuel and repairs. that will all add up surpringi
sly fast, and a truck hauling water wouldnt get good gas mileage, since wat
er weighs 8 pounds per gallon. 1000 gallons is 8000 punds plus the weight o
f the tank and pump....
bob haller wrote, on Fri, 04 Jul 2014 17:30:56 -0700:
One of the neighbors told me that it's something like $10,000 for every 100 feet,
which is about a $40,000 investment for each houshold, for an average 400-foot
well (some are deeper but that's how deep my good one is, IIRC).
Do they run water lines well more than 2,000 feet up hill to the top?
How do they get the pressure needed?
Luckily, I have a large pool of water, with chlorine and grandkids in it to
It seems most have far more than 10,000 gallons.
For example, this residence has 15,000 gallons, of which 10,000 is for fire only:
This one has 25,000 gallons, of which 15,000 is dedicated for fire only:
Yup. Bulk water delivery costs are at least $225 to $380 for 3,800 gallons
based on my calls a while ago to these two companies when I needed to fill
my swimming pool:
Franks Water Service 408-353-1343
Bay Area Water Trucking 408-683-0500
Right now, I have a leak on the bottom of my steel tank, but I have
no idea how to fix it properly:
Note: I think that semicircular rub mark is from deer drinking the water?
Stormin Mormon wrote, on Fri, 04 Jul 2014 18:56:49 -0400:
Actually, we decided (three of us anyway) that we'd do exactly
what you suggested, which is to line up, for emergencies, a price
sort of what the SPUG group does for us for propane:
What we'd do is negotiate a set price and delivery conditions,
and then we'd let all the neighbors know.
At the very least, we'd rate the bulk truckers, as some of them
are downright nasty. Most (if not all) take days just to return
a call, and none seem to have a 9 to 5 office admin. So, you
always get an answering machine. All who called back said they're
Even the big San Jose Water Company told me they're almost out
of water meters, which is what you need to legally hook up to
a fire hydrant to get water at 1 cent a gallon.
That's roughly about 7 cents a gallon, where the water company charges
1 cent a gallon for the water were we to truck it ourselves.
The *cheapest* option appears to be to use the spare 500 gallon tank
we have available to us (which holds 685 gallons when full), and borrow
a pickup capable of handling 2-1/2 ton loads uphill from one of the
neighbors with volunteer manpower.
The truck costs us a full tank of gas plus a case of beer plus probably
a few amenities like washing it and leaving goodies in the front seat.
We may need to buy a good horsepower water pump, to pump the
water from the truck to the top of a water tank, which could be as
far as 100 feet away from where the truck has to park.
The only problem is that a single 5,000 gallon water tank will take
(nominally) 10 trips, which is time consuming, so, we only want to
do this in emergencies. Still, it behooves us to plan ahead because
we're in the extreme fire hazard zone (nothing is higher) and, as
you may know, we're in a drought and there is absolutely no rain
forecasted until some time around November, if then.
I did google whether I could drink from the pool, and it turns out
that, even with the cyanuric acid, you *can* drink the water (but
I wouldn't want to unless I had to).
trader_4 wrote, on Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:13:51 -0700:
Thanks for understanding the overall long-term strategic goal.
We won't see rain until November, at the earliest, and maybe, if
things proceed as they did last year, not even then.
At the moment, the fire department is scheduled to give us a talk
to our next homeowners meeting about what we can do to protect
ourselves from fire (we're in the extreme fire hazard zone in
addition to high liquifaction zone, which seems an oxymoron, but
And, we have two water companies lined up, although one is a gruff
junkyard dog style guy - plus he's more expensive anyway, so, we're
OK on the delivery.
We've lined up a spare 685 gallon tank, and a spare pickup truck
(although we have no idea if that pickup can handle 2-1/2 tons)
and we know the neighbors will all pitch in, especially to help
the widows and divorced women and the older men (over 70, as the
rest of us are pretty rugged as we hike and rappel the hills
all the time together.
Costs for water alone are about 1 cent a gallon from the San Jose
Water Company, but that doesn't count the water meter rental.
Costs for the truck are free but that doesn't count what we'll do
for the owner (probably give him $50 to $100 worth of amenities).
Labor is free. :)
Pico Rico wrote, on Fri, 04 Jul 2014 08:18:59 -0700:
Heh heh ... I don't know if you know about California, but, the
forecast is for ZERO rain from now until about late November.
From November to about March, it can rain a decent amount, or,
as it did last year, it could skip us altogether.
This (dated) article said 4 inches fell from Jan1 to late September 2013.
And the winter of 2013-2014 was equally dry.
So, if I waited for rain, my lap pool would still look like this:
Instead of this:
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