How to truck 1,000 gallons of potable water to a residence

[Stormin Mormon]

Ouch! Any chance they will run a pipe and help keep you in water? At least for long enough to fill your fire tanks?

[Danny D.]

CRNG wrote, on Sat, 12 Jul 2014 05:49:29 -0500:

Everything costs (far) more in California, but, googling, I see this listing today:

Which is $4K for a used 1,000 gallon water hauling trailer, shop made, sold in Illinois, by Jed Weber, at 309-526-3636.

Here's a new 1,000 gallon water hauling trailer for $12K:

Here's a nearby Craigslist ad for 500 gallons at $8,500:

Seems to me this is a good DIY project, to build our own.

Seems all we'd need are:

1. Cylindrical tank strapped to a ...
2. Standard trailer, and a few ...
3. Pump & hoses & fittings

[Stormin Mormon]

Wonder if the family with the new well might consider selling off water for some arrangement?

[Edward Reid]

You get very little of it back. Drive any car with a continuous mileage readout and you'll be astounded how low the uphill mileage is. You might be lucky to get 1/10 uphill as on a level. Of course it depends on the slope.

In your case, you are hauling a lot of weight uphill and not taking it back down, so there's no chance at all the reclaim the energy you put into raising the weight.

Even without that, most of the energy you gain going downhill goes into heating the brakes and the air, depending on slope, speed limit, etc.

Edward

[CRNG]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 00:12:12 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote in

I thought Prop-13 passed in the mid 1970s limited property taxes to 1% of the owner's purchase price with a *very small* increase allowed every year? Did that change or did the politicos find a way around it?

Thanks.

[trader_4]

Don;t feel so bad Danny. The main problem with CA is you let your govt get out of control and screw you royally. Some other states, eg NJ, aren't far behind. And sadly the feds are now on a path that is taking the whole country there.

[Stormin Mormon]

I've heard that CA natives move to other states, and then demand the same liberal handouts they left behind.

[Pico Rico]

yes, they have ruined Oregon and Nevada. Idaho too, I think.

[Danny D.]

CRNG wrote, on Mon, 04 Aug 2014 05:59:06 -0500:

What California does, is raise the price of the property up to 2% every year (invariably), & they constantly add additional "assessments", which all seem to past the ballot procedure out here (Californians don't seem to feel that they're taxed enough yet).

They have Measure A, Measure B, Measure C.... Measure F, etc. all of which are assessments such as the most recent $17/100,000 of assessment just for the open space that you don't even live on.

All of which pass.

In addition to that, they add cleverly crafted "fees" (which aren't taxes but in all ways, are exactly like taxes, down to the fact they can take away your house if you don't pay them), which only need a

50% majority (instead of a super majority) to pass.

What irks me is how much they lie to the people, and the Californians don't even realize it. If California had folks from the east, they'd never put up with the shenanigans they pull out here. < / rant >

[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:23:16 -0400:

Heh heh... I didn't ask, but, here's a picture of the well drillers doing their thing. Notice what looks like "snow" on the ground is some kind of foam...

But there is a big big problem, it turns out.

The well, which is 520 feet, is NOT delivering the 18 gpm that I was initially told. It's more like 2.5 gpm, and much much worse than that, it has been flushing for a week now, and the water is still a turbid GRAY color!

It's not sediment, they told me, because it doesn't settle out. They told me that the wells usually clear out the turbidity within a week, but this one isn't doing anything.

So, they've been pumping water, for an entire week, into the ground from under the ground, and the entire area is gray.

I don't know what's in gray water, but, it's odd to see it coming out of the ground (they wouldn't let me take any pictures so I had to sneak that picture from across the yard of the other neighbor).

[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Sun, 03 Aug 2014 20:28:16 -0400:

Funny you should mention that.

Two women, one divorced, the other whose husband recently died shared the original well, and the divorced one (with the more money) decided to drill her own 520 foot well last week.

I snapped a picture of the drillers drilling from the other side, and posted it here:

The woman with the original old well, whom I know better, asked me help her with a flat tire and to check her pump because they had no water, so, I stopped by, and noticed the drillers were still there, a full week later.

I walked over and they were a bit tight lipped (and wouldn't let me take pictures), but, they have been pumping water out of that new well at about 2.5 gallons per minute and the water is absolutely

*gray*. They called it "turbid". It looked horrid.

They were pumping it into buckets also, which, they said, would never settle out, as the gray is part of the water and not sediment. The driller said he's never seen a well take a full week and still be gray, so, the water just might not be usable.

We'll see, but, back to the original well tanks, I noticed the pump never turned on, so, I flipped these breakers:

The bad news is that someone must have cut the copper wire on the middle two (why would they do that?) but the good news is that this started the well pumping again:

Looking inside the tank, I couldn't see well as I didn't have artificial light, but, the water looked slightly gray. So, I wonder if this water is tainted somehow? The two wells are only about 40 or 50 feet apart, so, the water is similar (although the depths are almost certainly different).

[Danny D.]

CRNG wrote, on Sat, 12 Jul 2014 05:49:29 -0500:

BTW, there was a really small fire about a mile away today, so I stopped by the firetruck to ask some questions.

That truck is 500 gallons, and it has a 4-inch, 2-1/2 inch, and

1-1/2 inch connector on the sides (the four inch is on the other side of the truck).

The guys told me they generally abhor the wharf hydrants that are in everyone's property (so why do we have them?) because the flow is so bad. They pump in from one side and out the other, as you can see in the middle of the truck.

They also pump out the front of the truck, and the back, from the tank, but they only use the sides to pump from a pool or wharf hydrant.

The four inch connector (in the driver's side) is for pumping out of ponds and pools, while the 2-1/2 is on both sides and it's for the hydrants.

Just FYI ...

[CRNG]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 06:12:13 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D." wrote in

That's scary. I assume all the results will end up in a report to the county. At leas I hope so. Keep us informed.

[bob haller]

get a sample of the grey water and have it tested..

[Danny D.]

CRNG wrote, on Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:06:58 -0500:

I'm actually afraid to tell the neighbor who lost her husband to cancer about the water as she doesn't have the money to do anything about it, and the divorced one sharing the original well who is drilling the new well, is hard to get a hold of.

So, I doubt I'll get much information, but, I'll try to see what I can find out, as the turbidity means there is "something" that turns the water gray (I'll look it up as the well drillers don't, I don't think, test it, but maybe the county does.)

[Danny D.]

bob haller wrote, on Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:33:45 -0700:

That's what I would do, but it's not 'my' water, nor my business, so, I'll stay out of that directly.

(The drillers didn't even like me taking pictures of the water so I don't have a picture of it but I can try to snap one from the other side of the fence if I'm over there again soon; but I don't just go walking on other people's property unless invited.)

[Stormin Mormon]

That's odd looking slop. I sense there's not much water "down there" and you need to be back to your plans for water hauling.

Wish I lived closer, and can help.

[Stormin Mormon]

That's not all that encouraging. Hope the water clears.

[Stormin Mormon]

CY: Fairly short truck, compared to what I see in NYS.

CY: Hmm. Some trucks in NY pump in or out of front, but mostly from sides.

CY: Sounds a bit like NY. The larger black rigid hose is for suction.

CY: Thanks. Bummer about the wharf hydrants not being useful.

[Danny D.]

Stormin Mormon wrote, on Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:23:49 -0400:

Yea, that's what I meant.

I'll clarify that it had two 2-1/2 inch connections on the passenger side, which are used together (one in, and one out) to suck from hydrants.

The 1-1/2 inch connection on both sides (and in the front bumper) was only an out, for the 500 gallon tank.

Likewise with the driver side, the same 2-1/2 and 1-1/2 inch connections existed, but, in addition, there was a single 4-inch suction connection on that side.

Seems similar to your NY trucks ...