OT: Health insurance

I get along with both dogs and cats, I don't discriminate like some folks who hate one or the other. Years ago a roommate's cat had a litter and a little tom cat liked me for some reason even though I played with all the kittens. The little guy would climb up my pants leg, onto my shirt all the way up to my shoulder where he would curl up into a little purring ball. Anyway all the kitten became very sick and died including my little pal. It was upsetting because the roommate had a bunch of cats that he didn't take care of like getting them the shots they needed so it wasn't surprising when sickness would kill them. o_O

TDD

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The Daring Dufas
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My current pets are perfect....9 adult koi, 5 baby koi, one giant bullfrog and a few wandering leopard frogs. Bull frog stands guard in the potted cattails until morning, then hops over to the shrubs for siesta. Other critters visit occasionally but don't swim. I can leave them all for a week without feeding during warmer months, just so's the water circulates and aerates, and all winter with a heater to keep an opening in the ice,. My kids bring their pets, cats and dogs, for visits, and all are welcome. Grandpets are just like grandkids; nice for a visit and then send them home :o) My daughter's Newfoundland hasn't visited yet, and with the pond no longer all fenced in separate from rest of yard, it would be highly interesting to see the blonde bimbo go for a swim. She can reach kitchen counters without stretching and regularly steals pizza/steak/burgers if one turns their back.

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Norminn

"Robert Green" wrote in message news:kuqcak$m0k$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me

Perhaps they hired IRS consultants to help draft it :) __________________

I have no idea, I am now busy sucking government teat (Medicare). Lets see...what can i get fixed next? Maybe my other ctaract. __________________

I've always thought one free but I'm willing to change my mind.

I also wouldn't be askance at putting some sort of contraceptive in drinking water (hey, they put fluoride). If someone wants to get pregnant they have to show financial responsibility to get the antidote. And drinking bootleg water to get pregnant would be a capitol crime :) __________________

That has always - and still does - strike me as wierd. We are obligated to buy insurance but have to pay extra to protect ourselves from the scofflaws. Seems to me that if the state can't/won't enforce their law thenTHEY are the ones that should be paying for injuries/damage due to their negligence.

Of course, we can always sue the non-insured offender who in all likelihood hasn't a pot to piss in. There is something to be said for debtor's prisons and/or indentured servitude. ___________________________

Actually, that's not too bad an idea. Everyone starts with a certain level of health care credit; various infractions deduct from it. Need something that costs more than you have left? Things are tough all over, maybe there is enough left to get them a ticket to someplace where whatever is needed is cheaper (assuming enough is left after taking out the ticket cost). That is still sort of FOAD, just do it elsewhere :)

Wouldn't we all.

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dadiOH

I raised a Weimaraner from a pup and the dog was so smart he was a psychotic smart ass but he was a heck of a dog. I left one of those little cans of Vienna sausage on the kitchen table then got up to answer the door, when I came back, the can was in the same spot but empty and the psycho dog was sitting there with an innocent look on his face. Weimaraners have very expressive eyebrows and can convey all sorts of mental states and emotions, it's hysterical. The goofy dog knew when he was in trouble because I could tell by the face he made. ^_^

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

Medicare with a good supplement is a good deal, though not cheap. For my wife and I we pay $693 a month everything combined Since we started a couple of years ago, she had a couple of major surgeries and procedures. Total billing was over $100,000. My total out of pocket for it all was $0.

No co-pay, no deductible. Only thing out of pocket is prescription co-pays. most are $4.

Our old company plan was $800 (company paid) plus co-pays for lots of things. The above would have been probably $2000+ from me.

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Ed Pawlowski

but cities aren't the state, does that fact elude you. I don't see you celebrating Michigan going bankrupt or Alabama, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island or Idaho

List of Bankruptcy Filings Since January 2010

All Municipal Bankruptcy Filings: 36

General-Purpose Local Government Bankruptcy Filings (8): -- City of Detroit -- City of San Bernardino, Calif. -- Town of Mammoth Lakes, Calf. (Dismissed) -- City of Stockton, Calif. -- Jefferson County, Ala.

-- City of Harrisburg, Pa. (Dismissed) -- City of Central Falls, R.I.

-- Boise County, Idaho (Dismissed)

I have a mortgage which is an unfunded obligation yet I am not in danger of going bankrupt, neither are the millions of people who have credit cards, new cars or even education loans

that's still almost 9 months old...seems to me if California is in such danger of going bankrupt there would be something much more recent

you said the State, not cities. California as a state is not responsible for the debts the cities incur or their lack of responsible managing

BOTH the cities and state are drowning in

because you limbaughnistas refuse to deal with current events. The state has unfunded liabilities but is nowhere close to filing for bankruptcy. But I guess all those wonderful republican technical systems the state tried to use, the bridge that was built with defective bolts, etc are all the fault of liberals

ah, the old class warfare gambit, because I really give a shit about how much money you make, what limbaugnistas you support or that you would prefer all the children to grow up with substandard educations, housing and medical care

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Wes Groleau

If you worked in healthcare you might get it.

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Wes Groleau

We went the Medicare Advantage route. No supplement needed, they return the $100+- medicare part "B"(?) premium that the gov takes out of social security, $25 copay for specialist, $0 for the relatively few meds I take.

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dadiOH

Having children is an option. If people decide to exercise that option all the things you mention save education are the obligation of the parents, not the state (everyone else).

Even education is partially the responsibility of the parents; they are obligated to see that their offspring actually attend school; to see that they do their homework; to answer questions and explain; to encourage and praise; to discipline.

IOW, they are obligated to do more than just inseminate and give birth; they are obligated to be PARENTS.

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dadiOH

Because those states are not in the dire financial straights that California is. Do you see major business magazines, newspapers, financial rating institutions all saying that Idaho is piled asshole deep to a 10 ft elephant in unfunded liabilities that they probably can't ever pay?

Good grief, you're dumb. You look at half of the equation. If you have a m ortgage for $2mil on a house that's worth $1mil, you have $100K in credit c ard debt, owe $75K on a new Mercedes and you're income is just $100K. Jus t ask people who did exactly that and went bankrupt. It's not that CA has unfunded liabilities, it's that they are huge and out of control because they have been piling up unsupportable amounts of debt for a long time.

The USA is in the process of doing the same thing. And your typical, asinine response is right above for all to see. Just ignore it. The USA debt level is now at about $250K for every family in America. That is more than the worth of most people's homes. It's approaching levels we haven't seen since WWII relative to the economies ability to support it. Back then, it was do it or die. Today we're just piling it on to pour down one rat hole after another.

You really are the village idiot. It's like doctors one after the other telling you that you have diabetes for years. Then you argue that because the last one that I happen to show you is 9 months old, it's invalid? Are you really that dumb?

CA doesn't just have unfunded liabilities, they have HUGE unfunded liabilities that are in fact the kind that have already forced those CA cities into bankruptcy. It's not Rush saying it, it's major business magazines, newspapers, financial analysts that are sounding the alarm bell.

But I guess all those wonderful republican technical

Republicans? Good grief: From Wikipedia:

"The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic supermajority, with the Senate consisting of 28 Democrats and 12 Republicans and the Asse mbly consisting of 55 Democrats and 25 Republicans. Except for the period f rom 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continu ously since 1970."

And then you make the typical mistake of countering any charge levied against libs with "but Republicans did this". Republicans and conservatives are not necessarily the same thing. Schwarzenegger for one, is not a conservative. Not that a few conservatives could change anything in CA.

It's really something. The founding fathers gave the states strong independence and self governance so they could do what they want. You have 50 states to watch. You can see the results of what failed policies have produced in some states and how other states have avoided it. Instead of learning, you libs just want to deny the failures, all the bad policies, and in fact spread them to the whole country. It's happening right now.

You only care about how much money I make to the extent that you have more of it to grab for pouring it down your lib rat holes. As for children growing up with substandard education, we conservatives have long been in favor of school vouchers. Give parents a voucher that they can use at the public school or any private school of their choice. That would give parents in failing, violent, out of control schools the choice to put their kids in better schools. But of course, you libs won't have any part of that because you insist that. Yet, here you are, bitching about substandard schools. Go figure.

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trader4

Reminds me of my family doctor ;o)

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Norminn

At least not lately. The historical record of the many Christian groups/sc hisms and their ferocious hatred for each other is replete with every form of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displacement a nd genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opinion.

Does Western civilization (such as it is) have time for the many Muslim gro ups/schisms to stop doing the same thing?

Or are the circumstances basically different?

HB

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Higgs Boson

Classic un-Constitutional argument for vouchers. Classic attack on the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Instead of fixing the public schools -- which is happening in some jurisdic tions, but not nearly fast enough -- throw them completely into the trash. Effect: relegate the disadvantaged to an even worse "education" than they r eceive now -- while the more affluent get the goodies.

This country was founded on separation of Church and State, Vouchers are a n excuse for sending your children to a religious school where they can be inculcated in whatever belief system you subscribe to.

Which sometimes, disastrously, means not only failing to teach critical th inking, but actively suppressing the child's ability to think, analyze, spe culate, IOW, use his/her God-given brains.

Which in turn too often means that the child grows up to be a bigoted adult who participates in society only from an ignorant, blinkered perspective.

Keep public schools secular. Parents have plenty of ways to influence thei r children in their choice of belief systems (religions). Houses of worshi p. Books. Parochial institutions. And on and on.

Instead of being grateful that America is a country where you can practice your religion freely because nobody can tell you what to think/believe, som e misguided people want to junk our treasures and turn us into a theocracy.

For just one (citing only the Islamists* because their theocracies are such a current world menace)-- try doing some research into what the Islamist s chools, religious leaders, and politicians ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN. E asily acccessible on-line. Unbelievably horrifying.

Is that what you want your children to become?

Schools must be kept secular. Respect the Constitution. Instead of workin g to turn America into a theocracy, use some of your passion to IMPROVE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS! Every child, rich or poor, is entitled to the best.

HB

*Islamists are the extremists; ordinary Muslims just do their own thing wit hout attacking others).
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Higgs Boson

most states aren't? so you think California is the only state that is piled trader4 in debt? LOL

but then look at all the others that didn't

It's not that CA has

I'm telly you very s-l-o-w-l-y that after going to doctors one after the other and you decide to do something about your overweight problem, I wouldn't accept a 9 month old analysis without checking the batteries in your scale

California is not now or has it ever been bankrupt. Your premise is wrong, your info is wrong, you are wrong

I don't care a rats ass about how much money you have, why should I?

As for children growing up with substandard education,

that's right you want government money given to the untermenschen so they can watch the TV ads with the beautiful people extolling the virtues of "that" school so that they will send their (money and) children to schools that are coincidentally non-standardized and unregulated

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

Some could argue you exaggerate, but you are certainly substantially correct. There is a big difference however: that behavior is not consistent with the teachings they claimed to follow.

In Islam, on the other hand, the violent are obeying the Quran, while the peaceful oppose them half-heartedly, if at all.

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Wes Groleau

Universal Health Insurance Is only for the Working Middle and Rich Class People

Affordable health insurance not for all of We the People If you Become pool unemployed and you will see that Unemployment insurance do not pay for Health Care

Work Part Time Receive no Affordable health insurance

Retired do to Health Receive no Affordable health insurance Nor Medicare for the first two year on SSI

Universal Health Care is for the Working Middle People only LOOL Would you like to be Poor and unemployed Now in the U.S.A. Welcome to my World

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Hot-Text

With the obesity epidemic, ObamaCare will be bankrupt by 2020 so no one will have it.

At the current rate "we the people" are buying crap from China, the entire US will soon be bankrupt. The entire United States of China will all be joining you.

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Mitt Romley

So, because some other states are too, it makes CA OK? NJ has too much debt, for many of the same reasons as California. What does that change?

More failed logic. Because someone was able to buy a $2mil house on a $100K salary, pile up $100K in credit card debt, etc and not go bankrupt, it makes it a safe, sound strategy? Good grief!

Village idiot. I gave you link after link from credible sources that say CA is indeed in serious financial trouble, with massive unfunded liabilities. Your response is that because the stories are a few months old, they aren't relevant.

I never said that CA is or was bankrupt. Stop lying and using strawmen.

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trader4

Does any one family really pay as much tax toward school funding as it costs the schools to educate their children? Here in Michigan, our schools are paid for from sales tax, so it isn't easy to guesstimate how much a random family pays in sales tax (and I believe there are other uses for sales tax funds).

However, it used to be that property taxes paid for schools, and I'm very certain that my property tax bill for a year is much less than what the schools get for a child. The switch from property tax to sales tax funding of the schools was supposed to be revenue-neutral, so I think using my property taxes as a placeholder for the funds now raised by sales tax holds water.

Clearly, the money for vouchers is coming not only from the parents' taxes but from that of other people. (Like me: I have no children, but I pay sales tax just as everybody else does.)

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

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