I do work in health care, and I do understand that like every human
endeavor it has its share of idiots, liars, and thieves.
The fact that incentives for bad care abound doesn't make it true that
> There is NO INCENTIVE for docs, hospitals or anyone else to keep
> people HEALTHY. "
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 7:38:58 PM UTC-7, Wes Groleau wrote:
At least not lately. The historical record of the many Christian groups/sc
hisms and their ferocious hatred for each other is replete with every form
of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displacement a
nd genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opinion.
Does Western civilization (such as it is) have time for the many Muslim gro
ups/schisms to stop doing the same thing?
Or are the circumstances basically different?
Some could argue you exaggerate, but you are certainly substantially
correct. There is a big difference however: that behavior is not
consistent with the teachings they claimed to follow.
In Islam, on the other hand, the violent are obeying the Quran, while
the peaceful oppose them half-heartedly, if at all.
“Brigham Young agrees to confine himself to one woman,
On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:05:46 PM UTC-7, Wes Groleau wrote:
s/schisms and their ferocious hatred for each other is replete with every f
orm of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displaceme
nt and genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opini
Which passages in the Koran are we talking about? Out of my (non) encyclop
ediac (sp?)knowledge of their "holy book" I can tell you there are passages
that allow them to call it a "religion of peace". So the violent follow t
he passages that fit their world view, and the non-violent follow theirs.
Important to note that when 9/11 went down, perfectly innocent American Mus
lims were viciously attacked. Just like in 1963, cars with Texas plates we
re vandalized. (for those who don't get the reference: The Kennedy assass
I suspect that many, if not most, American Muslims took their religion as c
asually as most American Christians -- and Jews! take theirs. (The vast maj
ority of American Catholics practice birth control, for example.)
For most American Muslims, it was just something you did; go to church/mosq
ue, say prayers, give charity; use the respective house of worship as a com
munity gathering place to find mates for your children, cut business deals,
socialize. Just like other religions. Who had any incentive to rock the
Their founding myth is no more bizarre than that of the Christians (or, you
could argue, ours.) One of the more bizarre founding myths is of a contem
porary American religion less than 200 years old.
Radicalized young men with raging hormones and no civilized way to express
them are the same all over the world. In the US and the "developed" world,
there is a civil society which acts to some extent as a constraint and the
re is (or was!) work which gave people a sense of self-worth.
In the Muslim world which is overwhelmingly religion-authoritarian based, t
here IS no civil society, ergo no such constraint. On the contrary, in mos
t of these countries, the Islamist world view teaches hatred of the West fr
om early childhood. Muslims who want to liberate their religion from shari
'a have to do their work from London.
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:25:20 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:
ups/schisms and their ferocious hatred for each other is replete with every
form of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displace
ment and genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opi
opediac (sp?)knowledge of their "holy book" I can tell you there are passag
es that allow them to call it a "religion of peace". So the violent follow
the passages that fit their world view, and the non-violent follow theirs.
There are passages in Mein Kampf that one could use to call that
a work of peace too.
uslims were viciously attacked.
Which of course has nothing to do with anything. The Muslim
extremists believe it's OK to kill anyone, including their own,
in the name of Islam.
Just like in 1963, cars with Texas plates were vandalized. (for those who
don't get the reference: The Kennedy assassination)
Nice going. You've earned the village idiot of the day award
for that lame attempt at lib moral equivalency.
casually as most American Christians -- and Jews! take theirs. (The vast m
ajority of American Catholics practice birth control, for example.)
sque, say prayers, give charity; use the respective house of worship as a c
ommunity gathering place to find mates for your children, cut business deal
s, socialize. Just like other religions. Who had any incentive to rock th
e American boat?
What you "imagine" has no relevancy.
ou could argue, ours.) One of the more bizarre founding myths is of a cont
emporary American religion less than 200 years old.
s them are the same all over the world. In the US and the "developed" worl
d, there is a civil society which acts to some extent as a constraint and t
here is (or was!) work which gave people a sense of self-worth.
More moral equivalency and attempt at justification nonsense.
there IS no civil society, ergo no such constraint.
Oh my God, if a conservative or Republican ever said that, it
would be used as an example of bigoted intolerance. At the
very least, it is totally ignorant.
On the contrary, in most of these countries, the Islamist world view teac
hes hatred of the West from early childhood. Muslims who want to liberate
their religion from shari'a have to do their work from London.
I've had a wide variety of procedures and I've never found any doctors
who pushed me to have them beyond what I would consider normal
tendencies to want to help people. The only medical practitioner I've
run across that seemed to be in it for the bucks was a dentist who was
taking over the practice of my retiring dentist. Somehow, even though
I'd been getting regular dental care from the old dentist, this new
guy found close to $5000 of recommended dental work on me and about
$4000 on my wife.
that's because it's a third party (the insurance company) that is
paying the medical bill, and because for a lot of people, it's a
second "third party", the employer, who is paying the insurance policy
So if I"m the sick person in a decent company, I don't pay but a small
part of my insurance premium, so I really don't care how much the
premium is, and I only pay a small co-pay for whatever treatment I get
so I really don't care what the cost of the treatment is. It's like
getting it all for FREE!!! so I just don't care what the insurance
costs or what the insurance has to pay. Until I lose my job that is,
and then suddenly I want to know "Why is insurance so expensive and
why is health care so expensive???"
I don't agree that health care in the US is bad or poor if you are an
informed consumer of it. You could, and many people do, say your car
care is bad or poor because you don't understand how your car works
and you don't understand how it's supposed to be fixed and you don't
take the time to find a good mechanic but just take it to Billy-Bobs
Rx Car Doctor and Car Wash.
Over half the people in the US are fat and lazy slugs in poor physical condition.
They got that way because they eat McFat food.
No one in the health care industry forces them to eat McFat food, do they?
Ever notice all the 400lb+ McFatass double-wide tub-o-guts riding around Walmart on those electric scooters?
(You usually see them in the Krispy Kreme isle, seldom in the fresh produce section.)
Well, if you work and pay taxes, you should be appalled. You are paying for their healthcare.
Obesity, heart disease, liver disease and high blood pressure are mostly caused by eating sugary food.
Well McFat Head, Neal Boortz complained about the fat asses cruising
around Wally World on the electric scooters during broadcasts on his
radio talk show. The electric scooter game is one very big scam making
a lot of money for scooter companies. O_o
I'm disabled and died of a heart attack, some fantastic paramedics
brought me back. I never wanted to be on disability but when I became so
weak and ill, I had no choice. The cardiologist sent me home to die but
I refuse to. I actually get out and help my roommate on service calls
even though I hurt like hell. The work I do with my roommate for free
allows him to make money and pay taxes on it. So I guess I'm actually
giving back. I refuse to sit on my butt or lay down and die. ^_^
Maybe Michelle can force the fat slugs to get
some exercise? She can call it something catchy
like "lets move"?
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
On 8/16/2013 4:48 AM, McFat Food wrote:
On Friday, August 16, 2013 1:40:11 AM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:
ier car insurance thread which quickly became a classic example of thread d
stem, military and civilian, but nobody really addressed the topic of medic
al care which in the U.S. is commodified as an "industry" rather than a pub
m, for a very serious condition, without a penny of cost, even though neith
er of us was a national of that country.
ly know specifically about European countries, so am extrapolationg -- comp
lete their medical studies at government expense.
load for the first 15-20 years of practice. No wild divergence in physici
an-hospital fees between practitioners and institutions. No drive to speci
alize in big money practices like plastic surgery. In return,physician obl
iged to devote 'n' years to (more or less) government assigned practice, me
aning often working in under-served communities.
As if govt is soooo efficient and economical. If it is, why are
we getting crushed to death here in NJ with some of the highest
property taxes in the country? Why is California, which is closest
to socialist Europe, almost bankrupt?
And why is it that the free market system can deliver a hamburger,
an automobile or auto insurance at reasonable prices?
idered an "industry" --I wince every time I hear that term --but a public g
Then housing should be a non-profit public good too. So should food.
How about clothing? Then we have some examples of things that are
run by the govt that aren't doing their job. Where does the USA
public schools rank today in terms of educating our children?
h care and affordable care for existing conditions saves $100's of dollars
down the line in social costs that we pay out of our other tax pocket."
ve to wait months/years for a procedure... whereas we in the US can get it
re basically fracked. Leaves out a large segment of the population
Obamacare was providing insurance to what, 30mil people? So, to
fix a "problem" for 10% of the population, you don't care what
happens to the other 90%?
emphasize preventive care*, and don't make medical care available to all, w
e pay for it ANYWAY in the form of social costs for damage done to and/or b
y impaired individuals who didn't get care in time.
Many of us understand it. It's just that we don't believe having the
govt pass a 2500 page bill that no one even read, much less understood,
in a rush, solves any of the real problems. Just one example is the lie
that it was going to reduce healthcare costs and that if you had private
insurance, it would not effect you at all. Healthcare costs are rising
because of Obamacare and many people with private plans have been
effected, either with large rate increases or companies dropping coverage.
Also, witness that this recovery is unique in that most of the jobs
being created are part-time. Why do you think that is?
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