Even the Healey 3000 had vestigial rear seats. I even stuffed a person
back there once.
I've had several hatchbacks where the rear seat got folded down into a
cargo bay the first day and the seats were never seen again. Does that
make them sports cars?
Then there was the Volvo White sports car I drove for a while. Two
seats, 14 tons, and 10 wheels without the optional trailer :)
Maybe in snowy conditions, but not in icy conditions. I know for a fact
they aren't equal in icy conditions. At least when it comes to a FWD
Chevy Equinox with "traction control" and a Saturn Vue with AWD.
Yeah, the stores sell 'traction sand' seasonally and the smarter people
throw in a few bags of that, concrete blocks, or whatever junk is laying
The one mistake is thinking you're going to use 'traction sand' to
spread out under your tires. It's slightly damp when the stores sell it
so it just turns into a big, sandy, ice cube. If you're looking for
traction material and not just weight buying a big sack of kitty litter
Or a big wash-basin full of "pickled sand". Whatever you put in the
back of a kickup TIE IT DOWN WELL. You do NOT want it coming through
the back window of the cab if you get "out of shape".
On my 57 Fargo I bolted a roughly 3X4 foot 1/2 inch steel plate under
the box behind the axle. That was just to get traction in the
On my ranger it's got a heavy fiberglass cap and a box liner - I've
had no traction issues so far with 205-70/15 graspics - should be
better yet with 235-70/16 Hak R2s on all 4 corners.
After sorting out my style on my first FWD car, an Audi 100, I got to
appreciate them in the snow and have had several since. The current
Yaris also has traction/stability control linked in with the ABS. I push
it to see what it will do and it's pretty impressive. If you get to
crazy it does tend to park itself until you can drive like an adult.
Ain't no donuts in a snowy parking lot happening on its watch. It
doesn't like my dirt road technique either. I guess it's time to grow up.
A lotta ppl do not realize the importance of tires. I've seen studs,
4WD, etc, mentioned, but not tires. A true tale follows:
I was driving my mom's Toyota T100 back to CA from CO, in early
Spring. A major snowfall had stopped ALL southbound traffic on 80 at
Truckee and turned it back to Reno for the night. Next day I started
out early and was allowed to pass cuz the T100 had 4WD and Michelin
all season tires.
Damned if the next 40 miles of roadway were not extremely snowy and
icy, despite it being a beautiful sun-shiny day. I could see green
ice beneath the snow on the roadway, so started out carefully. Those
Michelins never lost traction, even when I switch to 2WD for a short
stretch. I even carefully applied the brakes on one icy section to
see what would happen and the truck slowed and stopped as if it were
on a dry roadbed. I slowly sped up. By mile 20 I was passing
everything on the road, reaching a nerve shattering 50mph. Never
slipped, slid, or lost traction for a second. To say I was astonished
is an understatement.
Oh, one vehicle DID pass me. Another Toyota p/u. Didn't see what
tires he had. ;)
Just picked up a set of Hakkepeliitita R2 SUVsnows for the Ranger
for next year. A hard tire to beat in ice and snow - even with studded
The Haks were THE tire in winter rallying back in the day.
On 08/08/2015 06:35 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I had a set studded Hakkapeliittas and really liked them. One thing the
Finns know about is icy roads. I couldn't find any the last time around.
Nokian (not Nokia) even makes studded bicycle tires for the hardcore.
Hard to believe. FWD has tendency to over steer and front heavy vs. 4WD
(what kind of 4WD?) If you are a driver you can manage any car under any
condition pretty well. We always laugh when watching Southerners
driving in snow. They don't even seem to know which way to steer when
car is going out of cotrol on slippery road. We're used to driving in
COLD weather with snow and black ice. "Always drive for the road
condition" I started driving when I was around in grade 6. Dad had small
trucking co. At age 75, one accident, one crazy teen age girl ran a red
light hitting my car's passenger side. If it were driver's side, I
could've got killed. Since I have a habit of not trusting traffic lights
Some areas around here you get rear ended if you aren't at least 3-4
through the red light. I have found that the guy behind me getting
pissed enough to honk at me is a pretty indicator that the coast will be
?Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.?
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