I read it was OK to ask about other stuff here if I put it to OT first,
so here goes.
I recently test drove a Fiat 500L and loved it, but then I went to
looking for customer reviews, and all I'm seeing are mixed feedback.
Some love the car, others have problems from the get go.
I'm getting frustrated trying to figure out how to get a car that
doesn't have something wrong with it, and the reviews I read were on the
Any advice? thanks!
The problem with Italian cars is the quality control is spotty and the
work force is entitled.
A car built on a good day is as good as anything out there but on a
bad day they build junk. Spin the wheel and take your chances ... sort
of like American cars of the 70s.
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 5 Aug 2015 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Uncle
Back in the 70's they said Fiat stood for Fix it again, Tony. but
that was a long time ago.
I rented a really smal Fiat in Israel fo 9 days and I had no complaints.
It had room for four people and had a little bit of space for luggage
with a door in the back. Short and easy to park.
In your case, you can buy the car you want or buy the one that's rated.
It reminds me of looking for lost property where one dropped it or where
there is light for looking. Or you can just keep looking for ratings
of your model.
When I buy a used car, I look for one in nice condition because body
work and upholstery work is expenisve, and I put aside 1000 dollars for
repairs. Well, that was a long time ago. Now it's 2000 dollarss. But
I've only had to spend the 1000 once. Most times under 200.
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If you loved it that's all that matters. There is no significant
difference between the 'quality" of cars today. They are all
excellent despite the misleading "quality" ratings you get from places
like JD Power. That said, the Fiat is on the low end of the excellent
scale. Instead of it having 1.5 problems in it's first year it may
have 3, all which will be fixed under warranty for free. My
recommendation if you plan to keep the car for a substantial length of
time beyond the original warranty is to buy an extended warranty from
www.warrantydirect.com and not worry about anything anymore. Yes, you
will 'lose' about $100 a year in the cost of the warranty if nothing
much breaks but $100 a year is pretty cheap "worry insurance".
Difficult to do a real comparison. Fiat is ranked dead last in every
reliability survey so it is not something I'd want to buy.
It is better than any car built in the 1950s though I think that is how
you arrive at your conclusion about being on the low end of excellent.
My father bought a 1959 Chevy and it had a list of over 20 items for the
dealer to correct.
I was a GM guy all my life and every one had to go back for something.
I got fed up with my last Buick and bought a Hyundai Sonata. Highest
quality car I ever had. Only one of three needed a warranty fix at
57,000 miles. I plan to buy a 2016 when available.
On 08/05/2015 09:31 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yeah, I owned my Spyder for a couple of months. During one heated
discussion I offered to park it on the saleman's desk if we couldn't
work out something. I wound up with a '73 Mustang. I'd gotten to like
the 'Tang since it was the loaner I was driving for most of those two
I had similar experience with Sunbeam Rapier. Had to work on it every
week end to make it road worthy. I passed it onto my friend who put in
a Ford Pinto engine. I still shudder when I think about Lucas parts.
After driving company car almost 40 years, I settled on Acura and Subaru
for family. So far so good. No major issues.
Tekkie? I think not.
Have you ever owned a British sports car or motorcycle. I have. Lots
of 'em. Smith and Lucas were steady performers, in my experience.
Even Wikipedia sez "this title is undeserved".
 Prince of Darkness
Not if you ever actually owned or worked on one.
Too bad Lucas never built Vaccums. But then again, they would likely
be the only Lucas produvt that didn't suck -----.
People say the reason Brits drink warm beer is because they use Lucas
refrigerators. This is not correct, by the way. Britts drink their
beer at room temperature. Anyone who has spent any amount of time in
Britain knows that is NOT warm!!. Perhaps because they use Lucas
central heating plants???
Ummm..... In my youth, I was a professional motorcycle mechanic. I
owned and worked on Triumphs, BSA, Matchless, Nortons, etc. Cars
included Spitfires, Austin Healys, MGs, etc. I even worked on
Japanese copies of British bikes (Kawi W series). I repaired far more
electrical failures on Japanese motorcycles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_W_series#/media/File:1967_Kawasaki_W1SS.jpg> People say the reason Brits drink warm beer....
Most ppl know spit about British beer.
Guilty on the sports car, not on the bike. The Lucas components were no
more primitive than the rest of the car :) I do miss spending Saturday
mornings with my head under the bonnet listening to the SU's whistling
there little tunes.
The Brits used a zener diode, on their m/c's, to drain off any excess
charge from the generator to the battery, but sometimes over-reving
would blow the Lucas light bulbs. I had this occur jes once. Replaced
the bulbs and was good to go.
The Japanese, OTOH, went with a real alternator charging setup. It
worked great, but they never allowed enough charge to reach the
battery. Electrical failures on early Japanese m/c's common and
extensive. The Kawi 2-stroke twins and triples hadda really weird
electronic capacitive discharge system. A real "black box", it was
awesone while it worked. When it failed, it failed completely and was
mega expensive to repair.
The CDI module on my Suzuki DR650 died a few weeks ago. $140 on eBay and
about 3 times that from Suzuki. Same deal, I went out one morning and
it wouldn't start. Of course when I ran down the troubleshooting tree in
the service manual all the cheap stuff passed inspection until I got to
the most expensive piece.
The module on my Harley failed a few years ago but it was a gradual
failure and it would start after it cooled down. That was a strange one.
The Screaming Eagle performance module was $100 cheaper than the OEM
replacement, about $180 iirc. It bumped the red line up a few hundred
I've got a Suzuki DL-650 too. Love the bike but it scares me, FI and so
forth. I'm thinking that would be a real expensive one to work on.
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