A new analysis of 2,000 years of tree ring data has quickly made climate
change deniers' list of greatest hits to the theory of man made global
The tree rings "prove [the] climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval
times than it is now," the British newspaper the Daily Mail reported
last week, "and [the] world has been cooling for 2,000 years."
That and other articles suggest the current global warming trend is a
mere blip when viewed in the context of natural temperature oscillations
etched into tree rings over the past two millennia. The Star-Ledger, a
New Jersey newspaper, mused that the findings lock in "one piece of an
extremely complex puzzle that has been oversimplified by the Al Gores of
In the past decade, hikers in Switzerland have been discovering
previously unknown paths (and bodies/mummies?) which were hiked during
the Medieval Warm Period, proving that same hypothesis.
Oversimplified hell. He outright lied about overstating every bit of
data and then -acknowledged- it, saying that people wouldn't act
unless he did so. Farkin' liberal maroons!
Win first, Fight later.
--martial principle of the Samurai
Actually it does support it however it has a greenie interpretation that
tries to, as you have found out, make it sound otherwise. Call it a
political rebuttal if you will.
Yes at the moment the globe is getting warmer, at this brief point in
time, just like it did in the early 90's and dozens upon dozens of times
in the past thousand of years. Trying to stop the warming cycle is
futile and a waste of time and resources, we have bigger problems to
solve. Given enough time this cycle too will pass and we will be headed
for another ice age, I wonder what we are doing to cause that.
Have you ever seen a dog chasing its tail?
Just for fun. Here is a link to a retroactive look at a 1981 paper that
looked at scenarios to predict global climate, taking into account many
factors. It seems that 30 years later the observations have confirmed
the predictions, including the role of CO2.
My physicist daughter found the link, and yes, KNMI is the acronym of the
Dutch weather service (Koninklijk Nederlands Meteorologisch Instituut),
and I am a born Dutchman.
In geological times Earth's temperature has often been warmer than today,
and part of the current rise in globally averaged temperatures may be due
to other factors. It is just remarkable that 1981 calculations were able
to predict observations made over the next 30 years, and were based on
the rise in CO2. Really curious correlation ... Yes I know.
Nothing curious about it, Han ... when it comes to correlation and
causation figures can lie, and liars can figure. Massage/adjust the data
just right (as in the traditional and adjusted temperature data sets
being used for modeling) and the moon is made of Limburger ... or at
least smells like it. :)
And yes, we are definitely in a warming period ... however, the reason
has simply not been determined with sufficient scientific certainty to
embark upon the 'rob the rich, give to the poor' measures those intent
on destroying the sovereignty of select nations in favor of a world
government would have you believe.
I agree, and certainly think there is indeed evidence to correlate the
two, but, as a single cause, thus far it is far from sufficient to
overcome my suspicion of political motives and agendas.
Sad world we live in ... one would have thought that ubiquitous, rapid
means of communication could have mitigated the seeds of FUD, but so far
it seems to have increased it exponentially.
So uh like, ummmm Han! ;~) You think CO2 is a bad thing and should be
curbed as much as feasible but not enough to buy a greener vehicle???
The responsibility is every one else's ???
Maybe not bad enough or causing enough trouble that "you" should
I know it sounds hypocritical, Leon, and perhaps it is. I like the van,
and I won't ditch it (that has environmentally harmful consequences as
well <grin>). I also can't really justify a second vehicle for just my
wife and me. So I try to drive as little as possible/convenient, and do
it in a greeny kind of way - no jackrabbit starts etc.
But indeed, I think that industrialized generation of CO2 is NOT a good
thing for the environment (I pay extra to get renewable energy
Precisely Han, if any one really thought this was a serious problem we
would probably be doing something about it other than coming up with
ways to make money off of fixing what very very few are willing to
actually do anything about. The fix will inevitably be a rob Peter to
pay Paul situation. The cure will be equal to or worse than the problem.
Has any one considered lately that cleaning up the atmosphere allows
more sun light to reach the surface of the earth??? Stronger hurricanes
because there is more warming of the oceans. How is that better???
Some areas get most of their groundwater replenished and most of their
yearly rainfall from hurricanes. How is that *not* better? Maybe the
answer is to quit building human habitation in areas below sea level.
I'm sorry, but I have little to no sympathy for those in New Orleans who
were warned generation after generation to get the F#@k out of the area
because there are hurricanes every year. That's a big f-n "DUH!" in
anyone's book except those who think other people and the government is
responsible for solving their own problems.
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