Chicken little says it very well could be a problem. There is a lot of
mass here, and a little warming is easily absorbed. The question may be
whether there is a tipping point, and where that is. Little ice ages and
warmer periods have occurred regularly (Pinatubo eruption had a small but
measurable effect). The real Cassandras say that if the arctic thaws, so
much methane may get released from frozen hydrates that we will get big
warming on a global scale. Etc, etc.
Dammit Han, you're being reasonable - that never works with this
As I've pointed out, whether or not the increase in CO2 is the major
factor in warming, there's little dispute that it is a major factor in
ocean acidification. If the base of the global food chain is disrupted,
we won't care how warm it gets!
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
If you buy somebody a book and instead of reading it they eat the
book's cover, there is not much point in buying that person a book in
the first place.
Same can be said for trying to explain an idea to some folks.
That depends. If there is enough irrigation water around, perhaps no
problem, but here in the US we are depleting aquifers already. If there is
going to be less snow in the mountains, there will be less of a summertime
reservoir of water (it will have run off the mountains before spring is
And if we continue to destroy aquifers with fracking, the USA will
have little to no drinkable or farmable water available. I worry about
that 1,000 times more than AGWK.
Win first, Fight later.
--martial principle of the Samurai
I worry about that too, Larry. OTOH, that is an engineering and
regulation problem. It can be done safely, I believe. But there needs
to be oversight and punishment in case things go wrong. The main things
are 4-fold (I'm a biochemist so I have absolutely no standing): First,
the borehole should be warranteed to be free of defects, with the
companies in charge responsible to the extent that they have to prove
they are not responsible, rather than the "government" needing to prove
they are. Second, the waste should be cleaned up and /properly/ disposed
of. Again same conditions. Third, the fact that the water supply in the
area was fine before fracking proves that fracking was responsible for it
being fouled (if so) after fracking started, and again, same conditions.
Fourth, any earthquakes and damage from them are the direct
responsibility of the fracking companies.
There are NO federal regulations on fracking and never have been. There was
nothing to bypass, by Big Oil or anybody else. Licenses are not issued by
anybody for fracking. In addition, Congress has never been involved in
fracking, either in favor or in opposition.
Further, most fracking extractions are not owned or operated by Big Oil -
they were developed by independent operators who sell the output to NG
production companies, most of which have no connection to the seven major
If you have any information to the contrary, I'd be really interested in
I believe there are federal regulations that apply to fracking, but
mostly they are local (state or smaller entities). I believe that
fracking in PA requires some permits, and that the companies are
bypassing them by trucking their wastes to OH, or at least interstate
between 2 states. It would be good to have federal regulations (if they
were sufficient, reasonable, consistent, and intelligible), so that
everyone everywhere would be subject to the same rules. Now it is too
easy to circumvent the rules, or say, oh I diodn't know ...
You're sorta correct and I misspoke. There are STATE regulations on fracking
but there are NO federal regulations on fracking. A lot of people in eastern
Pennsylvania are getting rich from fracked natural gas while their
neighbors, just across the state line in western New York are really pissed
because New York doesn't allow the process.
In the early days of fracking, there was some waste; companies dumped the
semi-polluted water anywhere they pleased. Now, however, all the water used
is reclaimed. There is NO waste connected with fracking.
There was until recently at least a scarcity of effective regulation of
waste disposal. I don't believe that there is no waste with fracking.
You mean to say that all the drilling fluids and all the fracking fluids
disappear into the earth? That I do not believe. I am hopeful that the
wastes are disposed of in compliance with all regulations, but I am
fearful that they still truck waste out of the state where it cannot be
dumped to states where it IS "legal".
I am sure there are people who are jealous of the money made by others
over in the next state. Just like there are people furious they signed
contracts they didn't understand, and who are stiffed out of what they
thought they were going to get. Legal and all that stuff, but still ...
"Spent or used fracturing fluids are normally recovered at the initial stage
of well production and recycled in a closed system for future use or
disposed of under regulation, either by surface discharge where authorized
under the Clean Water Act or by injection into Class II wells as authorized
under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Regulation may also allow recovered
fracturing fluids to be disposed of at appropriate commercial facilities.
Not all fracturing fluid returns to the surface."
There are many other references under fracking+fluid+recovery
I don't think anybody trucks tens of millions of gallons of water across
Exactly. Waste is generated and (supposedly) disposed of properly.
Except when the loopholes allow disposal in a cheaper way that fulfills
all legal requirements, except the spirit of the law.
The report I saw, as quoted in the New York Times - IIRC, mentioned
trucking of waste water accross state borders. I don't recall the
quantities. Large tanker trucks hold up to about 10,000 gallons. So
ONLY about 100 truck loads is a million gallons ...
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