Sawstop - probably a stupid question

[Leon]

LOL.. IIRC a dope smoker is also not likely to be in an accident. Too paranoid and overly cautious.

[Leon]

No actually many do not. Many are widely available in other countries. The government slows this process down. I could never figure how the FDA can claim that it is protecting us from buying the same drug in Canada that we buy in the U.S.

Nope that is what you said. I made no such statement. I simply think that some things take longer to bring to market because of lack of funds to speed the process or the government impedes the progress.

[Leon]

Actually Apple would be like the Commodore had Microsoft not bought it. Gone. Apple did fine until it had competition. Steve Jobs fallacy was his insisting that Apple manufacture everything including the software. It was simply out paced by the enormous number of other choices.

[Doug Miller]

Strangely enough, HP made _exactly_the_same_ blunder a few years later, when a couple of their engineers, Jimmy Treybig and one other guy whose name escapes me, came to management with an idea for a fault-tolerant computer. Management wasn't interested, so they quit and formed their own company, Tandem Computers, and made a pot of money selling machines that simply don't go down.

In an odd twist of fate, Tandem was bought in the late 1990s by Compaq, which was then bought a few years later by... HP.

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[Doug Miller]

I'm aware of such incidents. But I'm sure you're not contending that they are anywhere near as common as PI or fatality crashes caused by drunks.

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[J. Clarke]

I find it quite in character that you don't understand the SIMPLE FACT that drunk drivers kill other people, not statistically 40 years down the road but up close and personal.

[J. Clarke]

One word. Thalidomide.

Well, now, what specific action do you believe that the government has taken to "impede the progress" of sawstop and how is it that a couple of college dropouts managed to raise enough capital to get their company started when Mr. Smart Patent Attorney can't?

[J. Clarke]

Bought _what_? Microsoft owns neither Commodore nor Apple so what the Hell are you talking about?

Apple had competition on the day that they sold their first machine. Intel-based S-100 micros were already well established in the market--Apple with their 6502 was fighting the trend. Successfully. Wasn't until IBM came in that Apple ran into a serious competitor, but they've managed to maintain market share right along.

Apple still manufactures everything including much of the software. Seems that that strategy actually worked pretty well.

[J. Clarke]

Wasn't really a blunder. Even Jobs admits that at the time it wasn't a good match for HP's marketing model. Remember, HP was an instrumentation company with computers a sideline.

[Leon]

I have not really thought about it and have no reason to think that they have in this instance. but it is entirely possible.

[Leon]

Ok, the giant bail out. Apple would probably be gone had Microoft not dumped millions into Apple.

No they lost market share. Their share is squat compared to what it was before the PC came along.

No, there is now hardware and software available for an Apple not produced by Apple.

[Lobby Dosser]

Nor cell phone users, newspaper readers, breakfast eaters, or hairdo artistes. All of whom I've seen doing 70 or better on freeways.

[J. Clarke]

So what _is_ your explanation for the delay?

[Charlie Self]

Lobby Dosser responds:

One of the first accidents that happened to someone I knew was to a girl in high school. She dropped her cigarette on the car floor, and reached to get it. Ran into a guard rail in a curve and really, really messed up Daddy's car. Didn't do her much good, either: way pre-seat belt days, about 1954.

Charlie Self "Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power." Eric Hoffer

[Charlie Self]

Leon responds:

I think these days almost all the Mac software is from outside, with the OS being the main Apple software product. But I could be wrong. My Mac languishes in a corner.

Charlie Self "Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power." Eric Hoffer

[ted harris]

Perhaps you should read the book then.

[ted harris]

I personally don't care if you smoke and want to kill yourself, that is fine. If you smoke anywhere in the presence of another person, you are now affecting them. So how does my analogy fall down?

Yeah, but then you have to face the law...where are the laws to protect non-smokers?

This debate is about sawstop, not smoking. Should we debate the smoking issue as well?

[ted harris]

One person should not have the right to assault another, no matter the circumstances. But, according to your theory, it would be okay for someone to walk into a public place and shove a needle in your arm, or pour alcohol down their throat. That clears it up for me...

[Leon]

What delay? I have no explanation as I do not know much about the company. As you also do not. As far as every one knows, they may be right on schedule. The first time I saw a Bosch 1617EVS at a tool show was in 1996 IIRC. I was unable to buy it until August of 1998. Bosch, an old company took 2 years to make available a product that they were showing. For a start up company it some time takes many years for the ptoduct to come in to being. I just think you have a "Hard-On" against the Saw Stop and do not know it. You fight it with unreasonable resistance.

[Leon]

If you go to Apple's web site and do a search for Microsoft you get tons of hits. Apparently Microsoft Office is a product Apple is pushing to run on the Apple.