SawStop Test

THE TEST: SawStop provided us with a demo cartridge and we tested the SawStop on Thursday, January 13th.

I cut a variety of materials such as: wood, plywood, melamine, acrylic, mdf. etc. I enabled the bypass and cut aluminum, green treated and stapled pine. When in bypass mode you will get a code in flashing lights indicating whether the SawStop would have triggered. The lights indicated that the SawStop WOULD NOT have been triggered by cutting the green treated or the stapled pine, so I proceeded to cut them with the SawStop on.

I then got out the drumsticks and cut one in bypass mode. It's amazing how easy it is to cut through a drumstick, pretty gory and except for the lack of blood, not unlike a shop accident. I've always thought of doing this during shop orientations, but decided that it could encourage sophomoric actions (the last thing they need is encouragement).

I'd been asked by some rec.woodworkers to push the stock rapidly into the blade in order to get an idea how much damage would be done in the case of a slip or similar accident.

So to test the SawStop I jammed the drumstick into the blade nearly as fast is I could, the blade promptly disappeared and with virtually no resistance I proceeded to IMPALE the chicken leg onto the riving knife (oh the shame).

RESULTS: SawStop works: the blade definitely stopped and definitely dropped (observers indicated that this happened too fast to discern). Since the drumstick was impaled on the riving knife, I have NO IDEA, how much damage the drumstick sustained from the blade before it's encounter with the riving knife. As you can imagine this was a little embarrassing. Here we've spent $6000 on saws that "save fingers", and I've got a chicken leg skewered by a chunk of steel, not so impressive.

Coincidentally, the SawStop went off again the first time we tilted the blade as we had neglected to provide adequate clearance for the aluminum fence on the sliding table. DOH!!! Steven and/or David: any chance of getting a replacement brake cartridge for our whoops? Again observers were dumbfounded. Results: a tiny nick on the crosscutting fence.

I was expecting a significant jolt/vibration/lurch of the saw when the SawStop was triggered, but aside from a solid THUD and the "disappearance" of blade, there are little dramatics.

MORE IMPRESSIONS My initial impressions (inserted below) are still pretty valid.

These are very nice saws. They are smooth, quiet, and basically a pleasure to use, definitely comparable+ to a PM66. To date our students have had few problems making the switch from the unisaws. The riving knife is great!: easy to change, never in the way and effectively keeps stock going in a straight line. I sanded the gloss off of the extension tables and they are ok now. After 15-20 brake cartridge changes it is pretty second nature (this is just an issue of learning where the "locating pins" are). Arbor nuts/washers drop directly into the hose attached to the "dust shroud" we have enough suction to move the nuts to the most inaccessible part of the DC pipe. I suppose it's time for an access port. We LOVE the paddle switch, a machine has never been so easy to shut off. The "power disconnect switch" however is on the bottom back corner of the left side of the cabinet and is a pain to get to with the sliding table attached to the saw, oh well.

Now that SawStops are in service, I suspect it won't be long before Delta/Jet/Grizzly get sued (and lose) because they failed to provide such a system. Perhaps they will be beating a path to SawStop for licensing sooner rather than later. Let the market decide I suppose, should be interesting to watch.

Reply to
CALA Workshop
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That's too bad. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of a test.

Was this while it was running, or off? If the latter, why would it trigger if the saw isn't running?

How much are these things?

Yeah, there's probably some litigious bastard who would do such a thing. Pity, that. Especially when I still couldn't buy a saw from SawStop today if I wanted to (but I can pre-order, same as years ago).

I'm not holding my breat. I'd like to see a good test, though.

Reply to
Dave Hinz

Snip.

How did the blade fare?

Thanks for the review.

Reply to
Leon

If the bone was not damaged the results were good as the riving knife should not have removed any bone material.

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Reply to
Leon

MORE ON MY MESSAGE

Testing the saw was not a complete waste, we did determine that the saw does indeed stop, and I sleep easier knowing it.

Brake cartridge is $60, we're not changing them 15-20 times because they need to be replaced, but because we need to use a dado set(or whatever).

We hit the x-cut fence while the blade was running or it would not have been neglect.

KG

CALA Worksh> THE TEST:

Reply to
Kevin Groenke

I would like to ask two questions please and get a honest answer. The company that is selling and promoting this SAWSTOP. ! Are you a woodworking company building a product or are you an attorney with an idea? Mike

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aswr

Kevin Groenke wrote in news:ctp3kv$fio$ snipped-for-privacy@lenny.tc.umn.edu:

So the brake cartridge comes off when you need to put on the dado? How long does this changeover take?

Patriarch

Reply to
Patriarch

I'd say the SawStop makes a very modest improvement over existing safety technology, i.e. the blade guard.

Why does someone have to "show some nuts" to buy a table saw? Not everyone is willing to wait a couple of years to get a saw. I just went to their web site. Guess what! I can place a non-binding preorder right now! Wheeeeee!

todd

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Todd Fatheree

No, the pity is that they were too cheap to put a safety device on their machines that provides better safety than anything that has ever been offered. But you keep believing that your safety is on equal par with their ability to make a profit...NOT!

Guess if you had shown some nuts and stepped up and ordered one "years ago" you would have it by now, huh?

Why, so you can piss and moan some more?

Reply to
ted harris

Ted, you are talking to a brick wall. Dave is one of those type people that makes a statement and stands by it come hell or high water, right or wrong. The fact that the product works past the proof that he wanted to see, the fact that the product is not Vaporware, and the fact that the product is shipping and the owners are happy with the purchased over all will not change his mind. He will continue to look the other way and deny the SawStop's existence. He now complains because he did not get in line to start with and has to wait his turn to get a Saw Stop saw. You know the type.

Reply to
Leon

And still can only be pre-ordered. Yes, Ted, we've been down this road before.

I never said such a thing. It's an interesting concept, and it might even work. But threatening a lawsuit on people who don't use something that isn't able to be ordered is a bit stupid.

Hard to say, Ted. Why the personal insult? Have they shipped more than the first batch of demo units yet?

Because it might actually have some merit, and if I could actually buy one of the damn things, if it works, I might do so. But not if they continue blowing smoke and taking a lawyer-ish approach rather than an engineer-ish approach.

What's your relationship with SawStop, if any, Ted?

Reply to
Dave Hinz

How did the blade fare ?

Do you have any sense of how much of a premium SawStop is placing on their device ? In other words, how much cheaper do you think this saw would be if it didn't include the cartridge, sensing mechanism, and withdrawal mechanism.

One of the things that I wonder about is why no US company includes riving knives or offers them as an option, especially in light of their claims that they would include safety features on their saws if such worked and were available.

Reply to
GregP

You have a point. At the same time, you must have had the experience of ordering something and finding out after it hasn't shown up for a month or two that it is "on backorder," or there is a "shipment coming in soon," etc. If it is true that they have delivered a thousand saws already, I think that the "pre-order" is a reflection of honesty by the company, or a failure to update the web site.

Reply to
GregP

Yup. A backorder is fine, if there's an expected delivery date attached to it.

I don't know of any more than the first batch of 49 demo units going out. Maybe someone does.

Reply to
Dave Hinz

The blade lost a couple of teeth when removed from the brake cartridge. Other than that it didn't look too bad. We're not taking any chances, you never know what sort of metal fatigue or stress the sawstop has caused. Any manufacturers warranty would undoubtedly be voided by such misuse.

If a good dado set got whacked I may be tempted to use it again, but the $35 amana AGE's we're using (a great cheap blade BTW) are almost disposable the way our students treat them.

Our saws ARE NOT "demo" machines. I believe ours were in the 60's shipped out of production, not pre-production. That was at the end of December.

I'm sure that sawstop currently has a much smaller margin than delta/jet/grizzly. We got a better saw than a PM66, with sawstop from a very small production run for only $400 more than a 66. sawstop IS NOT making as much $ as jet/pm is on that 66. Sawstop needs to establish a market and surely considered the price points of the competition in doing so.

That would maybe be true if 100% of tablesaws in use still had the bladeguards on them and they were used. We all know that a significant percentage of bladeguard are NEVER used and more are infrquently used.

Sawstop is a exponential improvement over a bladeguard in the garage rafters, the storage room, or the trash.

Dave H>

Reply to
CALA Workshop

So, it's wrecked.

Right.

How many have they shipped? And why are they so closed-mouthed about production volumes?

Except that I can have a bladeguard today if I choose to.

Reply to
Dave Hinz

I know that you have plonked me but geeeeez. It is not unrsual to have teeth replaced on a blade. Regardles I would much rather have a wrecked blade than a wrecked body part.

Sarcastic SOB. You truely are clueless.

It is simply none of your business.

But probably will not because you choose not to.

Reply to
Leon

That sounds like a class action suit to me. (kidding, not an attorney). I'd like to see them too! Tom

Reply to
Thomas Bunetta

It may not be our business, but it is hard to commit that much money to a brand new company without having some information and/or evidence that it is likely to be around for more than a year or so. While decent sales volume doesn't guarantee long-term viability, it helps.

Reply to
GregP

Ever start a new business? Sure, we'll buy from you when youhave a track record, but not just yet. Good thing someone took a chance and bought that first Studebaker or no telling how they would have wound up.

My first computer was a Texas Instruments TI-4A. Bought that because I knew they would be around to support it down the road.

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Edwin Pawlowski

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