I work for a small company (20 people) and there are at least four of us
that have a table saw. My neighbor across the street has one, as does the
neighbor next door. Given that percentage, with 300 million people in the
US, that is one hell of a lot of saws. I did see the number of injuries
someplace other that Saw Stop too, but I don't recall where it was.
I respect the technology and I believe that the SawStop is an excellant
product. I do not like the fact that the manufacture is trying to
force his product down my throat. I want to make the buying decision,
not being forced by some lawyer!
I can not believe his mission in life is to make all of us woodworkers
safe, but to line his own pockets!
And what you prefer to believe has been the subject of lively debate for
some time. However, there's always two sides to every story and I believe
there is some substance to the debate that the bulk of other tablesaw
manufacturers banded together to "slow" this technology.
Either way, it's a good technology and if money was no object for people, I
think this technology would not be receiving near as many negative comments
that it has.
We'll see what happens when they get their contractor saw version out.
I think I read something in the $750-800 range. $3000 for the cabinet
version is pretty tough to take when you're using a $550 saw now. An
extra $200 doesn't seem like very much for what you're getting.
But you can bet this is spurring every saw manufacturer to have their
R&D department working on ways to do it while gettng around the guy's
patent. They'll promise they're going to do it themselves without the
Once everyone is doing it I don't think it will be adding more than
$100 to the cost
The longer you have to think about a $2000 upgrade, the easier that pill is
Had my TV broken down 2 years ago it would have been repaired. Since I had
been looking at $2500 for a new one for the last 2 years the one I bought 2
weeks ago for $2000 was much easier to swallow. LOL
I hope you are correct about others coming up with other ways to add serious
safety improvements as this is the first step taken in many many years
towards user safety.
One other thing is that while Sawstop says there's no way to upgrade
an old saw with the technology, I can't see as how all the cast iron
of the top and the motor can't be reused, and those combined are a
substantial proportion of the cost of the saw, and the weight of the
machine. And of course the fence can be reused. So I don't see why
the manufacturers couldn't offer just the cabinet and guts as an
Good point. From what I gather the trunion and blade brake are basically
the only differences. Oh yeah, I looked at the owners manual and IIRC
there a lot of lock out sensors and a computer chip that monitors settings,
and other functions.
I agree with you Mike. there comes a point in time when good common sense
and a little training goes a long way.
My father operated a Delta Unisaw for decades and never once had an injury
and he operated it as part of his full time job. I have operated the same
saw for many years as a hobbyist and never once had an injury. Safety
features on the saw? None at all. The saw was stripped of the blade guard
long before I was born. My father taught me to use the Unisaw and maybe
that is what keeps my digits attached.
The scariest saw in my shop? The band saw. My sons and I agree on that.
The one that will maim the quickest? The table saw of course. The tool
most likely to injure you? The drill press. The safest saw in the shop?
The scroll saw.
Wow, I don't agree with that scary rating. I think the bandsaw is the
safest saw to use. The cutting motion is down, no risk of kick back.
Basically, all you have to do is pay attention that you don't move your
hand into the blade.. Don't see it as any scarier than a scroll saw.
The drill press is most likely to injure you? How? Unless a bit gets
caught in a piece of wood and spins around, how are you going to get
hurt on a drill press? Obviously, like the bandsaw, I assume you pay
attention and don't put your hand under the bit.
Now that SS has actual saws for sale, the market should decide if the
brake should be on all saws. If SawStop makes a mint, the other
manufacturers will have to either come up with a comparable feature, or
license it from SS.
If it's mandated on new saws, say buh-bye! to $400 table saws, like the
Bosch, Rigid, or Grizzly. Think of what it will do to the used table
saw market for non-commercial users! <G>
It's not because of the device. I like it. I was wishing them
success. They appeared to be going down the right path. Then they
just had to try for government regulation to get what they can't get
on their own.
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