Consumer Product Safety Comm. to discuss proposed SawStop technology safety rule

At least 2% (4 out of 200) where I work have a TS at home, if you applied 2% to 300million people that would be 6 million saws in the US.

Like most I'm not keen on being forced into buying something but I am very hard-headed (proven by the fact the government didn't make me wear a helmet to ride a bike as a kid).

I did check out the saw online and wonder how good it is. Looks like it is about 30% more than a Unisaw but is the quality close? That extra lifting mechanism that allows the blade to drop when triggered seems like a good place to have unnecessary slop in the machine.

decent video here:

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many have tried the sawstop? and does it compare in quality to other cabinet saws?

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RayV
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I stopped over at the saw stop site and took a look at their products. Interesting little gizmo, expensive, but very interesting.

I think if you're looking for an absolutely safe saw (from the blade anyway) this puppy just might be the ticket... Though I didn't see saftey bumpers on the corners, soft side cushions on the case, or an airbag type appliance incase of kick backs. And WHAT ABOUT THOSE BLASTED SPINTERS??

Ok I'll be serious for a moment, well as serious as I can be anyway... It looks like somebody put a lot of thought into this and if it works as claimed will save many a person from having to answer questions from their grandkids about why they have to take their shoes off to count to ten. However, with all new technology it's expensive. And anytime you ask a typical woodworker to lay out more cash...Well, let's just say it's not a good thing and leave it at that.

As for mandating that it be installed on all saws. That's an entirely different thing. Now you're encroaching on our rights to injure and maim ourselves in creative and painful ways as we see fit. I agree with everybody above who says "if it's that good a system, it will sell it's self and everybody will install it" The price will come down and like also stated above it will be just like any other feature "standard" on the saws.

Trying to mandate something in the US does tend to raise most folks hackles, we're a bit stiff necked about things when somebody comes up and says "This is how you're gonna do this, by the way you don't have a choice". Even if it's for our own good, we tend to be stuborn types.

I am kinda curious about a few technical aspects of the system. Not everybody keeps their shop in absolute perfect condition, some aren't weather tight, some are damp basements... How does this system handle adverse conditions. If it's relying on monitoring an electrical current through the blade will rust effect it?

What about nails? (I realize we should inspect our wood etc, but it does happen) Will hitting a nail in a piece of wood cause the safety to trip? I'm thinking hitting metal will cause a rather abrupt spike in conductivity and there by blow the stop. A block of aluminum hitting a spinning blade means that blade is toast, at $70 a reload plus $50 (or more) for a new blade, that's an expensive mistake. Does the saw function if you don't reload the cartridge?

For industry I'm thinking they're doomed to have to incorporate it. Insurance companies will make it happen if nobody else does. As with all things it will eventually trickle down to consumer level products. But just like the gaurds that are supposed to be on our saws now, how many are actually in place? I think that that will be the fate of this device as well for most of them.

My humbe two pennies worth of rambling... Take it as you will. :-)

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bremen68

Not unless the government wants to give you "just compensation", otherwise it is a "taking".

Reply to
gfretwell

Sounds low. When I had my accident in 1989 the OR nurse said that TS accidents show up 3 to 4 times a week.

Reply to
Leon

Maybe a phone call to SawStop will answer your questions and prevent you from assuming something that may not be.

Reply to
Leon

Not true. It is already being marketed and there is no law requiring this safety device yet. Had there not been any interest there would have been no product.

Already North American named TS manufacturers are starting to offer some of the safety features that SawStop already has.

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Leon

.Apparently the SawStop surpasses the Delta and is more comparable in build quality to the Powermatic 66.

E-mail Robin at LeeValley. He has bought several that are not for sale. Several have posted here in the past with favorable reports overall.

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Leon

If your finger hits the blade, the cost to replace the cartridge and blade will be slight compared to the cost of repairing a finger.

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Leon

Schools and colleges/universities are already replacing old iron with Sawstops for liability reasons even without a CPSC rule.

If insurance companies get wind of the Sawstop they will probably require businesses to purchase them or lose their insurance.

Brian Elfert

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Brian Elfert

B A R R Y wrote in news:IdBLg.21557$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:

Doesn't the glove get in the way of the cut?

;-)

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

First you have to adjust your population figures to "hopuseholds" as most kids don't own saws. Assuming an average household size of 3, then 300 million people is 100 million households thus 2 million saws. Now, after the math homework, back to your original programming....

Reply to
Dave Hall

I'm not going to bother. I won't be a SawStop customer.

Reply to
George Max

You must be either a SawStop saw owner or an employee of their company in some fashion.

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George Max

Most of the people I work with are children or at the very least childish.

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RayV

Yeah, tell that to everyone with a bit of "wetlands" that they can't sell or use. I'm pretty sure that they didn't get "just compensation" for that loss. Same for anyone lucky enough to own a fully automatic Thompson from the pre-gun control era - I don't think that they are allowed to freely sell those. The Gov't would just declare the saws too dangerous to sell except to collectors who have to disable the sawing capabilities of the saw ;-)

Dave Hall

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Dave Hall

"Leon" wrote in news:0_BLg.9246$q63.9210 @newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

I wonder how many of those visiting the ER are repeat customers?

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R. Pierce Butler

That's what I thought.

Reply to
Leon

None of the above. Just some one that is not swayed by my emotions.

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Leon

I never wondered that. Usually a trip to the ER leaves a lasting impression that discourages a repeat of the same accident that got them in the first place. In my case however I almost had the same accident again 1 year later as I never did realize how I was hurt until I almost repeated the accident. The saw was turned off and there was no wood on the table. That pretty much rules out improper procedure for 99.99% of preventable measures.

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Leon

I've read a lot of postings in years gone by about the Saw Stop. I've noted that a cabinet saw with that device is now available for sale. And I've read this month's issue of Design News (it arrived today) about Mr. Gass and his quest to have Saw Stop installed on every new saw sold.

I was right there with him. Little guy invents device, big manufacturers won't have anything to do with him, little guy starts own company and sells a million. Heck, I'd even read the reviews that said his saw was pretty good.

This was going to be a good old fashioned success story. Until now. Now Mr. Gass feels it's necessary to get the government to force everyone to use his device. I know, I know, they won't couch it in words exactly like that, they'll use words that say something like "a device to eliminate or reduce injury from contacting a rotating saw blade" or somesuch. And all the while essentialy mean to use Saw Stop.

That's where I draw the line. In my opinion he wants to use government intervention has a short cut to riches. And that's just wrong.

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George Max

According to my new copy of Design News magazine (9/4/06 issue) on page 55, lower right hand corner there's a chart that has some statistics on table saw injuries. The chart says that in calendar year 2002 there were an estimated 33,114 injuries from bench and table saws. In that same year there were 3,503 amputations.

The year with the greatest number of injuries (33,590) was 1998. The year with the greatest number of amputations was 2002.

The chart also says that "over the 10 to 15 year life of a table saw, it would generate societal costs of $2,600 to $3,100 from blade contact injuries." And that such saws have initial costs ranging from about $100 to $300.

The information in the chart is from the CPSC.

I can safely say that my saw, acquired about 17 years ago, which cost around $500 has not contributed at all to those figures since no one has cut anything other that wood with it.

Sad to say, I cannot say the same thing about my radial arm saw or jointer. Yet those items are not at issue. Yet.

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George Max

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