I never wondered that. Usually a trip to the ER leaves a lasting impression
that discourages a repeat of the same accident that got them in the first
In my case however I almost had the same accident again 1 year later as I
never did realize how I was hurt until I almost repeated the accident. The
saw was turned off and there was no wood on the table. That pretty much
rules out improper procedure for 99.99% of preventable measures.
I would think that the 55,000 TS injuries a year might be a little low.
This week I have had 3 injuries from my table saw, bumped into it once and
hurt my leg, laid down a stack of boards and mashed my finger, had a piece
of wood (large) fall from the table and hit my foot. None of these injuries
occurred when the saw was running, Total loss of time 5 min at most while I
was cussing my own stupidity, cost to business $0. Will the saw stop help
with any of those? they seem to be the most common type around my shop.
, for SawStop
Well, if the cost of the Sawstop prevented you from buying one, you'd have
been prevented from experiencing all of those klutz injuries and saved that
5 minutes. Think of it. 52 weeks x 5 minutes = over 4 hours. Think of the
money you could save then? :)
What you need is my new IdiotSaw. We've thoughtfully silkscreened
"You're an idiot" on all sides of the base to save you valuable time.
Look for our future product that will audibly berate you whenever a
loud noise is detected. Accepting preorders now! You must be at
least 18 to order.
I don't think I will need your product. I already have one incorporated
into my shop. Every time I come into the house with a new bruise, cut, bang
or make to much noise in the shop SWMBO gives me the lecture.
I've lurked long enough. . . .
I agree with almost everyone above - that this is a great safety
feature, yet that it shouldn't be forced on individuals. I agree that
the company's goal is to line their pockets, but I can't begrudge
someone a few bucks for what can save a lot of grief.
I am a hand surgeon in a suburb west of Cleveland, and have seen a
minimum 2-3 woodworking injuries a week over the last 15 years, many of
which end up in the OR. They range from close calls and nicked nails,
to devastating life changing and career ending injuries. Almost
everyone one of them is a table saw related injury (with a smattering of
chop saws, circular saws, drills, and the occasional router or jointer),
and every injury of significance involves contact with a moving (under
power or coasting) blade. While most admittedly represent some error in
judgment (poor outfeed support, small workpiece, blocking kickback,
fatigue, lapse of concentration, etc.), they happen to the experienced
woodworkers probably more often than to the inexperienced.
The best safety remains the guard and splitter (I'm ready for the
assault! - but I've still NEVER seen a table saw injury that needed to
see me when the guard was in place), but for people who feel better
without it, this could be a great thing. (Although even SawStop
recommends the guard and riving knife.)
Twenty (maybe 10?) years from now, some variation of this technology
will be as standard as the on-off switch, at least in the industrial
environment, and yes, it will likely be legislated. As individual
woodworkers today, our best bet is to learn the technologies and
encourage them, in the hope that, as Upscale said, the negative
impressions will fade away when the cost decreases.
You folks ready for the other shoe to drop?
I predict that, once SawStop-type products are mandated, it will become
either flat-out illegal to resell old tablesaws (Unisaws, etc.) that don't
have that feature,
or corporate lawyers will recommend scrapping them out, rather than exposing
themselves to that liability. I also predict a sharp near-term rise in the
of Old Iron, thereby preventing me from ever being able to afford even a
(However, I might buy a SawStop for the local school, and donate it in
for their Unisaur, if I can write off the difference...)
(Oh, and Dr. Dave -- I'm amazed you see that stuff and still do
Nothing like a constant reminder, huh?)
, for SawStop
There is only one problem with the sawstop system. In the even of contact
with a finger it throws a chunk of aluminum into the teeth of the blade. I
wonder how many ruined blades there will be once people get really
careless. Then when they move from a Sawstop to a "unsafe" saw then you
can really watch the digits fly.
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:31:03 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yeah, tell that to everyone with a bit of "wetlands" that they can't
sell or use. I'm pretty sure that they didn't get "just compensation"
for that loss. Same for anyone lucky enough to own a fully automatic
Thompson from the pre-gun control era - I don't think that they are
allowed to freely sell those. The Gov't would just declare the saws
too dangerous to sell except to collectors who have to disable the
sawing capabilities of the saw ;-)
Look up Reahard v (Lee County Florida et al). That case went all the
way to the supreme court who let the lower court ruling stand. Reahard
won about $22 million dollars for the "taking" of 40 acres in Bonita
Spirngs Florida (wetlands). There are some rules but if you bought the
property and it was OK for development at that time, they have to pay
you if they "take" that right away by declaring it a wetland. If you
actually have someone who is being screwed have their lawyer look up
"Reahard". I am not sure who was still fighting Richard Reahard by the
time it got to the US court of appeals. There were several government
Also not accurate. There have been at least 2 amnesties that allowed
you to add a legally owned machine gun to the "registry" alas if you
didn't do it by 1986 it can't be added. They cut off new machine gun
Any machine gun that is in the registry can be bought and sold with
the purchase of a $200 tax stamp and the OK from BATF, FBI and your
local chief law enforcement official. (assmung there are no
state/local laws against owning one).
Check out subguns.com to see some that are for sale. If you are in a
blue state it probably won't be OK with your local CLEO
Schools and colleges/universities are already replacing old iron with
Sawstops for liability reasons even without a CPSC rule.
If insurance companies get wind of the Sawstop they will probably require
businesses to purchase them or lose their insurance.
I'm in Europe, where SawStop is unheard of and good guards and
splitters are standard. You have to be using quite old equipment to not
have both, and even then most have been retrofitted. Both are mandatory
for commercial machines (although you're allowed to remove guards where
appropriate for a particular operation)
So why not follow Europe ? Seems like a sensible level of protection
On 6 Sep 2006 01:30:14 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
Every tablesaw sold in the US has a splitter and a guard. OSHA
requires these to be in place during operations in all commercial
settings. Quite like Europe, except you seem to have riving knives
while we have splitters. Also, I would guess, just like in Europe,
those who don't want to use the guards in their home workshop take
them off. There are no hobby police that travel around looking in
people's garages to see if their guards are in place. In commercial
shops anyone who allows the guards to be removed risks a nasty visit
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