Show vehicle only - only on the show grounds. Boot lid open would not be an issue on the highway if nothing loose to come out
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I was surprised that the chimp hung onto it after he figured out how to shoot it.
No, these vehicles with these wheels exist on the roads and freeways in Houston.
Placarded for over-width??? Definitely illegal. Defionitely unsafe
They _appear_ to be legal IF the car doesn't exceed 8ft width.
a PH.D gives the history:
difference between 83's & 84's
Ontario law prohibits : Any BODY section has exposed sharp edge, is torn or protrudes out in a manner that could be hazardous to driver,passenger, pedestrian or cyclist. Any TRIM protrudes or has exposed sharp edge, or is torn in a manner that could be hazardous to driver, passenger, pedestrian or cyclist
Any Device or Equipment Attached or Mounted to the Vehicle has an exposed sharp edge, is torn or protrudes out in a manner that could be hazardous to the driver, a passenger, pedestrian or cyclist
Any WHEEL wheel / rim has been welded or repaired in a way that does not meet industry standard
So no, they would NOT be legal in Ontario - the car woulf be removed from the road and in all likelihood the wheels would be confiscated.
FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards) outlawed any wheels or wheel covers with "winged projections" for 1968; that particular regulation was included in the FMVSS revisions due to Ralph Nader's efforts. That's why GM released special hex nuts and a special wrench as service replacements for KO wheel spinners - it was illegal to sell the original spinners after 1968; the same thing happened to all service replacement wheel covers that originally included spinners - the service replacements were sold with no spinner - just a round emblem that attached to the center of the cover
According to this many of those Swangers ARE illegal under FEDERAL Law
What GM vehicle ever came with knock-off hubs?
Federal motor vehicle standards govern manufacturers of motor vehicles, not end users. You can call the FBI or the NHTSA or the ICC or whatever agency you think may have jurisdiction but don't expect more than a polite brush-off from them.
The 'Vette, for one. and fake knockoffs were pretty common in the fifties and sixties
Modifications that go against federal motor vehicle safety standards ARE illegal - whether it is enforced, selectively enforced, or not enforced doesn't change that.
Cite the statute if you believe that.
"Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title."
Note the wording there. They're relying on the Commerce Clause for their authority--if you aren't selling it it isn't commerce.
"This section does not apply to? (1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment in good faith other than for resale;"
In other words it doesn't apply to the purchaser.
So you think those abortions are not sold?????
It's still illegal to sell the crap. Which tends to indicate it is illegal to buy and use it, I know you libertarian yanks and rebs like to bust every law you can get your minds around - if itisn't SPECIFICALLY prohibited it's fair game.
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Well, that's only due to the fact that "that which is not prohibited by law, is permitted."
IOW everything is legal to do until a law is passed to the contrary.
In this case, it would seem that even if those chariot knives or whatever the f**k the morons placing them on their cars call them, are illegal equipment on a car being sold by General Motors, the language of the act, again quoted below, specifically excludes, subsequent sellers.
"This section does not apply to? >> (1)the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for >> introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor >> vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment >> in good faith other than for resale;"
Further, nothing in the federal law appears to prohibit the use of the various items only prohibits the manufacturers from including them or mandates them to be included.
The state laws handle that, if they so choose.
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"tends to indicate"
That's a pretty strong argument. Akin to...
might, maybe kind of, sort of
It's illegal to sell homemade wine, but you can use it It's illegal to sell a counterfeit handbag, but you can use it
The law related to the selling of a product doesn't automatically make (or even indicate) its use illegal. There would need to be specific law gov erning the product's use.
Well yeahbut, but, but, ....
You argued that modifications are illegal. Not the selling of modified vehicles but the modifications themselves. Now you seem to be trying to move the goalposts.
It is? Show us the statute which says that it is unlawful to sell, say, a winged knockoff hub.
This is the United States, where anything that is not specifically prohibited is legal. This is a basic premise of legal systems derived from the English legal system. You might be happier moving to Russia or some other authoritarian country where the opposite is the case.
However, getting back to cars, the statute defines a "motor vehicle" as "a vehicle driven or drawn by mechanical power and manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads, and highways,". If the part has some use on something other than such a vehicle, then it is up to the government to fight the uphill battle of proving that it is "motor vehicle equipment".
By your logic racing cars and museum pieces would be banned.
Wll here in Ontario you can't sell a vehicle with them on it as a roadworthy vehicle, and if you get caught with them on the road you WILL be charged. Furthermore if you get involved in an eccident where property damage or bodilly harm results from their presence you WILL face severe penalties - like assault with a dangerous weapon, or dangerous vehicle operation, or quite possibly dangerous or careless driving. The officer will throw enough charges to be sure at least one will stick
There is a reason most of that stuff is clearly labellled "for offroad use only".
It can be sold - but NOT for on-road use.
What happens if you get caught driving with non - DOT drag slicks on the street????
In what jurisdiction? Each state has its own laws and its own penalties. The one thing that you can count on _not_ happening is the Federal government getting involved--that will only happen if you're on Federal property when you get caught.
In CT, if the tires are not "approved by the commissioner" it's an infraction with no penalty the first time and a fine of not more than $200 for the second and later.
In MA, I can't find anything about getting caught driving on them--if you have them "with intent to sell" then it's a $50 fine, if you have them on the car when it's inspected it fails inspection and they have to be replaced on the spot or the car has to be trailered to wherever the tires will be replaced.
I don't really feel like digging through the statutes for the other 48 states.
So WHAT? Ontario, in case you missed the memo, is not now, and has never been part of the United States of America, so anything that goes on there has no relevance whatsoever to the laws of the United States of America.
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