I should mention tht those prices were for "contracted" wheat which, of
course, means you gotta have some gonads to gamble making a crop to cover
Our guys were planting back before the new year and it's up. But it's
going to need a couple of inches of rain PDQ and I'm not seeing that. After
more than three times the normal 19-20 inch annual rainfall average in a
period of February to mid-August we've had damned little since
Not sure what you mean by 'significant'. I wouldn't want to drink a beer
made w/o hops, and I doubt you would either. Hops are VERY significant.
Uhhh. YES. If you need to hit a target IBU you have to use the same
amount of hops/gallon. Regardless of batch size.
No. But he also doesn't pay the same for grain either. Hops are 20% of
the cost (not including yeast and water) for me. I'm not sure what the %
cost is for the big brewery, but it is going UP.
The ratio of hops to grist is not quite the same when brewing 5 gals.
versus 500 gals., but the difference (ratio) is not that significant. The
home brewer probably pays a bit more for his/her hops (PC) as a percentage
of the cost to produce a gal of beer than a commercial brewery does.
It doesn't matter what the commercial brewer pays per ton or ounce compared
to the 5 gal. a pop guy. If the home brewer pays a buck an ounce and a
commercial brewer pays a cent an ounce and the price of hops doubles, both
buyers now face the same percentage increase in their ingredient cost. This
is very over simplified. What I'm really trying to say is hops are not an
insignificant percentage of the cost of the ingredients used in brewing.
I don't know if you are a brewer, but if you use an ounce of hops per 10
gallons, you must certainly like it very mildly flavored. Rarely do
brewers use fresh hops (i.e. green hops). I've used my home grown green
hops as an experiment in three batches (each 5 gals) and the beer was
very far from steller, but what the hell, it was beer. In fact, I only
started liking lambics and Berlinner Weiss after I became a homebrewer.
Most if not all hops used in home or commercial brewing are dried. They
are shipped in leaf form, compressed into a plug form, or ground and
compressed into pellets. Some hops are super compressed and sold as hop
oil. A brewer would use slightly less (by weight) of the compressed hop
pellets than the other hop forms for a given brew. Most home brewers that
I know only use hop oil to rescue an under hopped brew. I don't know of
any commercial brewers that use hop oil, but I suspect that some do.
For a ten gallon brew of a medium strength beer or ale, I would probably
mash 14-18 lbs. of malt and hop the brew with 3 or 4 ounces of bittering
hops and 2 or three ounces of finishing hops. The hop quantities may vary
depending on the alpha acid content of the hops. Brewing with high alpha
hops (more bitter) requires fewer hops depending on the style being
brewed. I ounce of 20% alpha hops will have almost twice the bittering as
10% alpha hops. Most hops used as flavor hops are close to the same alpha
content. I buy malted barley in 50 lb. sacks at less than a buck a lb.
Depending on the variety, hops are hitting a buck or more on ounce and
noble varieties, two bucks or more an ounce.
At this point the price of hops is approching 50% of the cost of the
ingredients required to brew beer (again, I am talking home brewing). The
price of hops has been rising for several years. The price of hops from
the EU has risen to a much higher degree than North American hops. Grain
prices for the homebrewer have remained fairly stable. Beer brewed with
barley malt and hops is the most costly. The price comes down when corn,
rice or wheat are added to the grist.
I'm not into a pissing contest. I'm just relating my experience.
Beer might be the most important consumer good whose price is affected
by ethanol but it's not the only one. The Economist has been tracking
food prices since its inception.They are now at their highest point
since 1850. The rise can be attributed to increased demand (meat in
emerging economies) and America's ethanol policy.
(Hopefully, they don't require authentication for images)
Prepared by..........an unbiased entitiy?
Very difficult to believe that when you have a record crop but prices
go up instead of going down, that the increased cost of feed does not
cause the price of meat to increase. That's my butcher's position
when I asked him why beef had risen so much in the last year.
Didn't we go through this a couple of weeks ago? Thought I provided
unbiased raw data, not massaged by any entity that had an agenda.
I prefer raw data that I can use to draw my own conclusions using
logic and without any agenda.
If it is the same one you referenced last month, yes plus a bunch of
others from other organizations that had an agenda to keep the
subsidies going. If not, no.
been there done that, not going again. Our opinions will just have to
differ on the issue.
But you didn't refute any portion of their analysis at all; all you
did was show a correlation which supported _your_ bias... :)
The basic conclusion that the majority of the cost spread is in the
non-food portion (ie., processing, marketing and distribution) and
that the farm-commodity portion of food costs has dropped from 35% to
about 20% during this time is pretty much incontrovertible
irrespective of one's opinion on ethanol.
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