Repairman and small-business owner Rich Herder doesn't mince words about
the damage ethanol in gasoline is doing to the small engines in outdoor
power equipment. "It's the biggest disaster to hit gasoline in my
lifetime," Herder says. He owns McIntyre's Locksmith & Lawnmower, a
service business in Westfield, N.J. Founded in 1898 to refurbish
saddles, the business today repairs more than 5000 machines a
year—mostly pieces of outdoor power equipment, and many of them,
according to Herder, damaged by the alcohol in today's gasoline, known
as E10 for the 10 percent of alcohol it contains.
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:35:32 -0400, Cheeseball wrote:
Here in Missouri the gas stations are REQUIRED to add alcohol to gasoline
once the price hits a certain point. It has been years since there has been
no alcohol in all regular and midrange gasoline here.
And i've never had a bit of problem with it. My chainsaws are 20+ years
old and my weedeater and blower are 5 years old. Never had a second of
problem with any of them. Oh, wait, I did replace the fuel pickup hose
on ONE of the chain saws. Dam! A $2 repair in 20 years.
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It did in my snow thrower a few years ago. Older equipment has seals
that are attacked by the higher solvent power of E10.
I remember when it was mandated in all gas stations around here and they
had to close to clean out their tanks to put in E10. Similarly they
cannot pipeline it because any deposits in tanks or pipes will have any
insoluble crud contaminate the E10.
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As for this alcohol nonsense, I don't buy it. On one hand we hear
it's ruining our engines, otoh, it's been around fer at least two
decades. One oil company was putting 10% in their gasoline as early
as the late 80s, long before it was required. I ran it, by choice, in
my V8 van because it reduced or eliminated ping over gasolines not
containing alcohol. And pray tell, what's that additive we've been
putting in our gas tanks, nearly forever, to alleviate water
condensation accumulation? Could it be --gasp!-- alcohol?
My personal opinion about home/garden gas engine tools falling apart
recently is, it's due more to increasingly cheapo crap quality than
any alcohol in the gas.
And the ethanol is killing the old stuff too. "greenies" in the carb
and fuel system were NEVER a problem before ethanol fuel - and the
esimple expedient of NEVER running ethanol gas totally prevents it.
We are lucky enough here in Ontario Canada to still be able to buy
"abstainers gas" from the Shell Premium pumps. I use it in all my
small engine equipment except when I have surplus 100LL Avgas
available.(generally premix for the 2 stroke stuff)
So, how come I ran 10% ethanol in my '74 Dodge van, an '87 Honda Si,
and a couple stock HDs, for 10-20 yrs and never once suffered a single
fuel system related problem? Zero! Zip! Nada!
Yet when my late brother passed on and I inherited a half dozen less
than 5 yr old gas chain saws, trimmers, etc, not a single one worked
cuz the fuel systems were totally rotted out. Brittle cracked fuel
lines, rotted leaking primer bulbs, etc. I tossed 'em all for the
junk they were.
And the folks at Briggs&Stratten have this to say:
"It is also recommended that fuel is purchased in quantities that can be
used within 30 days. This will assure fuel freshness and volatility
tailored to the season.
NOTE: We DO NOT recommend the use of gasoline which contains alcohol,
such as gasohol. Gasoline used MUST NOT contain more than 10 percent
Ethanol and MUST be removed from the engine during storage if it is not
already treated with our Fuel Stabilizer. DO NOT use gasoline containing
Methanol. DO NOT use E85."
Untill some cold day when the water load gets high enough that you
suffer phase separation and the hooch falls out of suspension. It
still won't freeze, but the car doesn't like running on 60-80 proof
ethanol. You need to add "heet" to get the water and hooch back into
the fuel mix.
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