OT: The value of Ethanol

Since it takes (give or take) 1 ounce of dried hops for 10 gallons of beer any beer price increase would more likely be grain prices and/or simply profit taking......Rod

I wouldn't want to drink that beer. It would be WAY under hopped.

I homebrew, and typically use 2-4 ounces for a 5 gallon batch. Depends on beer style which determines bitterness level (IBU) and hop aroma.

Some recipes if you are interested:

Yessssss, but I'm a 'right' idiot.

I occasionally buy hops from this guy:

Born, raised, and tired of it.

I look at (often even read some articles) in the Times and the Washington Post, and a handful of others mostly because I have some connection to the community.

Right the same way Rush Limbaugh is "right".

You're right. I will send you a couple of blocks of lead, turn them into gold for me okay?

Ahhh s*it.... HE PLONKED ME!

My life is worthless now...

brewers.http://www.beertown.org/craftbrewing/index.htmlWhich is why the brewers who suffer are the ones who brew the beers that matter. Rod and Betty Jo won't be affected as Coors Litey beers suffer from flavor impairment. Cheap to make, cheap to drink. I've already seen prices rise at the local breweries. The other option is even less appealing.

Cheers, Jeff

I was in Houston for a weekend in early May. It was way too hot. I can't imagine what it's like in July. Personally, I'd like to move further north. Maine has a great deal of appeal

Cheers, Jeff

I can't comment on Rod and Betty, but I am VERY familiar with the type you are describing.

The big discussions for homebrewers these days is 'growing your own hops'. I have never tried it and probably never will.

And hop alternatives. Desperate Times Call for Desperate Measures?

Again.

"J. Clarke" wrote >

Yes, they can and are.

Yes, it can and is.

Yet both cracking and reforming will still not yield more than 1 gal of gasoline from 1 gallon of crude oil. Nor will allowing for density variation change this.

If it violates the known laws of physics, chemistry, thermodynamics, et al then it positively, absolutely *CAN'T* be done at this time. Call me a heretic if you want, but neither politics, religion, nor the phase of the moon is going to change this either.

Art

PS Robatoy send his best regards.

"Robatoy" wrote...

What specific law or laws does it violate?

If you start with a gallon of crude oil and end up with a gallon of gasoline, then where does the remaining mass go?

Now I enjoy a nice stout on occasion, but if the price of beer going up 25% creates a serious financial problem for you, it might be time to back away from the bar.

todd

lol... you bad....

The obvious one is E = M*C^2 . You claim to input 1 gal of crude and output 1 gal of gasoline. Since there are other factions also output (fuel oil, grease, and asphalt for example), there must be a corresponding increase in mass. As you haven't input massive amounts of energy to create this new mass it is clearly impossible.

Precisely! The remaining mass is the heavier factions and hence, there cannot be 1 gal of gasoline output. Q.E.D.

Art

How?

Huh? If the input is 1 gallon of crude oil and the output is 1 gallon of gasoline then how do fuel oil, grease, and asphalt, none of which were produced by the process in question, enter into the calculation?

If the output was to be one gallon of gasoline plus some unspecified quantity of other substances then that would have been stated.

What new mass? There is no new mass. You seem to be confusing volume with mass.

Well, actually if you are going to change the problem statement to allow some output other than gasoline then you can get one gallon of gasoline and use up the remaining mass on those "heavier fractions".

Hey I can't stand lite beer......I simply looked up a few recipes....nonetheless I'm a near expert since my Dad in the depression picked hops in Eastern Or, in highschool I shoveled spent hops by the ton(mulch for a nursery) and I worked 3 years at a malt plant (back then we had free beer in the tap room)...beer still takes more malt by far than hops and malt is considerably more significant to the brew. And do you really think a guy brewing 5 gals a pop both uses the same amount per gal and pays the same price for hops as a brewer whom buys by the ton.... Rod

Barley and wheat are suffering a similar fate: