Now the feeling is tight again?
"Leon" wrote in message
I did however loose feeling on that side of my finger and there is still
a small dark spot where dirt is apparently still under the skin.
About five years later I noticed that I had regained all feeling in that
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:12:11 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
Sounds like my left thumb :-). Not only that, I split a fingernail down
the middle on my right hand about a year later. Lucky both times.
Forty years with no table saw injuries, then two in a year. None since,
but I've developed a better understanding of my fallibility :-).
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:45:34 -0600, Steve Barker wrote:
What's got your knickers in a twist, Steve? You seem to have directed
all the hate most of us reserve for Congress at the SawStop makers.
Those were not false trips - they were operator error. And we used a
SawStop saw in the classroom at Woodcraft when I worked there. At least
one student stuck a finger in the blade - it fired and she needed a band
Yes, the patent owner's business ethics leave something to be desired in
my opinion, but there's lots worse out there.
It's an election year. There must be a better target for your rants :-).
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:24:06 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
You say that like it's a bad thing, LB. ;)
And a new diaper?
Hard to miss, eh?
I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during
my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Count Diodati, 1807
You're right, i probably did lash out in the wrong place. It just irks
me to see so many seemingly smart people condoning government control
and regulation. I'm sorry if i personally offended any persons in this
group. I do get a lot out of reading the messages here.
remove the "not" from my address to email
On a woodworking group it's hard to imagine a political election being a
better target than forced saw stop ownership.
I think in addition to forced ownership of saw stop crap, the hand
wringers should be forced to buy/use power feeders. Much cheaper than
buying a new hand, right?
Of course if you fall into the power feeder... Well, maybe a law to
force these guys to plunk the plank into the feeder with the power off,
go in another room with the power switch, like a dentist doing xrays....
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Got Change: Supply and Demand ======> Command and Control!
On 1/22/2012 10:21 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Can a car company force you to buy a car? No, you can choose to not buy
a car. Can a travel agency force you to book a trip? No, you can
choose to not take a trip.
Neither can a saw company. You do not have to buy a saw. If you want
to buy a saw that will be of your own free choice to do so, but you will
have to buy one with an over head blade guard if you do.
Later on if you choose to buy a TS you might also have to get one with
the Saw Stop technology o you can choose to not buy a saw. Noting is
being forced on any one.
Have you been living in a cave? The SawStop folks have persuaded the
Consumer Product Safety Commission to propose a federal regulation mandating
SawStop (or equivalent) on table saws.
It's right there in the Federal Register. You really should keep up.
What if anything, does that proposed federal regulation say about
previously owned table saws? Are they grandfathered in as being
acceptable? Do we all need to buy our preferred choice of table saw
before that proposed regulation comes into effect?
I know riving knifes are now required to be **UL Compliant**.
I do not know the significance of this compliancy (perhaps someone can
address this), but it's not hard for me to imagine what the next
requirement of UL Coompliancy could be for table saws.
The fallacy of your analogy here is that if it is mandated by the
government or actually willingly accepted by all manufacturers NO ONE is
going to be forced to buy a saw with this technology. The choice to buy
a saw with this technology or not will still be strictly up to you.
I can assure you my wife will not be buying one. The simple truth is
that that if you can not buy a saw with the safety device added you can
elect to not buy a saw at all.
Even more aggravating to me is that right now you cannot buy a saw with
out the common blade guard, a device that is way less effective that the
saw stop technology and yet we buy these saws any way but only because
we want to. No one is forcing us to buy these saws with the less than
desirable guards, which are mandated by some authority.
You can't seriously think anyone is saying every man woman and child,
living in the US, would be forced to buy a table saw are you?
Ahhh, you are saying this... Very dumb of you.
Thank god for that. I don't think I'd have room if me, the wife, and
two kids were each forced to buy a table saw with (or without) saw stop
technology. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Now that you cleared that up, do you think running a table
saw/shaper/3hp router in a table with $300 lift would be safer with a
power feeder? Should a power feeder be required with purchase of each
of these machines? (Not by every person in the US, just those purchasing
one of the tools that would be safer with a power feeder?
Should I be allowed to buy a (new) table saw w/o saw stop tech IF I
bought a power feeder, and vice versa, or should I be required to buy
both (if I were to buy a new saw, not implying everyone on earth should
be required to buy any of the above tools...)
I am thinking anyone that buys a (new) Chevy Volt might also be required
to buy a (new) table saw with a power feeder AND Saw Stop tech... Not
sure why, but works for me.
Got Change: Father knows best ===> Government knows best!
I don't think every one is thinking that but there are those that
probably do. In this day and age you never know what people are thinking.
No I am not saying this but it has been said repeatedly. I am simply
pointing out that you do not have to purchase a TS at all.
It might be safer but I don't think it should be mandatory as with the
Now having said that all the moaning, groaning and voicing an opinion
of why we think Gass is a SOB apparently is not working.
What those that are clearly alarmed about the situation should do is
voice that if this deal goes through that every one that has a TS now
and "wants" to trade up gets full credit for the saw they already have
as trade in. If you have a 15 year old cabinet saw and you want a new
one but the manufacturer has to pay you what you paid for that saw 15
years ago as trade in.
The manufacturers can't have their cake and eat it too.
But seriously if the mandate goes through supply and demand will dictate
pricing. We'll see then how many are in favor and how many are not.
Steve you did not offend any one IMHO but you did seem to show a bit of
ignorance, and please don't that that as an insult. Most all of us have
been in your position and hopefully you will not ever have to experience
what a few of us have. But for those of us that thought like you and
have seen the light you looked and acted like an arrogant beginner, like
we all have.
Regardless of where these guys that are producing this saw are coming
from, and we would all be naive to think it is all for the good of the
people and not to make money, they are producing a quality product that
is safer than anything one the market. When it comes to my safety I am
going to swallow my pride and make the smart choice.
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