I would like to install a battery back up sump pump with a flow rate of
It is illegal to drain a sump pump into the sewer, and my main pump is
drained outside. Due to piping issues, I would like to drain the back up
pump into my laundry sink. Since we haven't had a power failure in at
least 2 years, I would hope the city would understand. My question is:
can the laundry sink drain handle the flow? I don't know how fast the
water comes in, but my sump pump will run about every 3 - 5 minutes in
heavy flow times.
On Jan 15, 3:19 pm, dmfoerster_at_swiftel_dot email@example.com (woods)
Where I am you cant dump a sump into the sewer, which may not work
anyway as the drains may not be draining in a flood. Battery powered
that you find at box stores are a joke, if you have city water look at
Water Powered pumps like www.basepump.com www.zoeller.com How
long will that battery powered pump, pump, not long. Will you know if
and when the battery is bad or know yourself how to monitor a safe
battery state, I dont think so. The chargers they use are known to not
make batteries last more than a few years, because of under charging,
and the Sulfation that will then occur.
Battery power is not a joke, and calling it a joke just shows your ignorance of
the whole situation. I'm not sure what a "box" store is, but I got mine at Home
Depot. It uses a deep cycle marine battery. The charging unit monitors the
battery condition. In 10 years I have replaced the battery once. My power went
out last night for 4 hours during a heavy rain and the battery activated the
pump about every 15 minutes, no problem. Now that the power is back on, the
charger has recharged the battery and it is back in "ready" mode. As for running
the pump discharge outside, the problem is, in the winter that pipe freezes up,
so no water will flow, so I have two hand valves after a split. I shut off the
outside line when it is below freezing outside, and open the other so the water
discharges into the stationary sink. The problem is, this same sink takes the
washer discharge also, and it became clogged with lint, even tho I use a lint
filter. If it is illegal to run the sump into the sink,,,, who the heck cares?
It's not like city inspectors are poking around my basement. It is only water,
won't hurt a thing. The battery backup system is rated for 7 hours continuous
operation,, which you may call "not long", but it is long enough. Yes, I will
know when the battery is bad, the indicator beeps to tell me. So you can assume
that all of us home owners are too stupid to read instructions and follow
directions, but some of us are smart enough to know that you are trying to sell
is on your website,, so maybe insulting us homeowners isn't the best way to drum
up business. As for undercharging and sulfation, yes, the battery monitor checks
those things too, and warns when it's time for a new battery. And the cost of a
new battery every few years is a lot less than water damage, usually.
On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 10:44:05 AM UTC-5, GeoEngineering wrote:
The other people in your community might care, because the more water that
you put down the sewer, the more it costs to treat, the bigger the facilities
needed, the more discharge into rivers, streams, oceans, etc. That's why
they have ordinances against putting clean sump pump water in there. It's
a lot of water that's unnecessary.
There are advantages and disadvantages to any kind of backup system.
One advantage of a water powered backup pump is that municipal water
systems rarely go down when the power is out. During hurricane Sandy,
power was out in many areas for a week, but almost all areas still
had municipal water.
Assuming it's accurate enough to tell you that the battery only has
2 hours capacity left instead of it's rated 7. How good those
monitoring systems are, IDK.
So you can assume that all of us home owners are too
A regular poster, posting a link to a website now means that he's
the owner? I don't think so. What's the problem with people looking
at alternatives and coming to their own conclusions? As to too stupid,
apparently you're too stupid to figure out how to properly discharge
water and put it into the sewer, so, there's that.
BTW, the whole thread was four years old and dead.
I work at a sewer treatment plant. We do not treat water. This is a common
misconception. We separate solids from water period. The water discharge side of
the plant is disinfected at a pittiful rate often with hypo
If not using ultraviolet. Yes I understand metal separation and nitrogen removal
but that should be atributed to other pollution up and down stream industrial
and residential ilegal dumping yadyada. The correct answer
Is that your plant may not be able to acept
More millon gallon daily flow from pointless connections from users improper
Which is the point above. (well said by the way) Causing bypass flows directly
to discharge water sources usually rivers instead of purchasing foam pipe wrap
and maybe a little heat trace for those winter months. I do agree that both
options for back up sump operations are verry viable. I currently use battery
back up because if I need the pump to run longer that the battery can allow
there is many options vehicle battery and solar charging. I like solar. But
slamming someone for giving the option as a suggestion with the water system
even if they would like to sell it to you is rediculous. If suggestions from
suppliers and innovators are unwelcome in your life just remember you could be
downstairs pumping out your water by hand.
On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:44:01 +0000, GeoEngineering
The setup here was that the water output is a 2" pipe exiting about a
foot above the ground outside, and it goes directly into a 4"
corrgugated black plastic pipe. The pipe has some small slant and
when the sump pump is running, even though the plastic pipe is not
below the freeze line, the water flows too fast to freeze, even in 0^
weather which we almost never have. But if by some miracle, it
gradually froze and filled up, the connection between the output and
the plastic pipe is not sealed. Water would pour out between the
two pipes and land on the ground, where it would soak through the
ground and soon end up being pumped out by the sump pump again. That
would be a problem, but it's never going to happen.
People will be inspecting your house when you want to sell it.
My next door neighbor ran the sump pump output to his sink, and before
anyone would buy it, he had to put the pipes back the way they were
originally. So he paid twice.
Most of my n'bors run the output under the front lawn and out through
the curb. But he and I are too far from the street to do that. My
house is the end townhouse, so my output goes under my side yard and
into the stream bed. But he can't do that either, and his output
goes onto his grass and then his front sidewalk. I'll bet sometimes
it freezes on the sidewalk. I'll admit, he has a problem, but he
still was not allowed to do what he did. (and it was particularly
stupid in our case because not only could lint clog the drain, but in
really heavy rains, the stream rises above the sewer manholes, water
fills the sewer and backs up into the basements of the lowest 4
houses, including his. There are a couple remedies for this, but
both involve keeping the sink plugged, because one is unable to
predict which rains will cause that backup. I thought he knew this. )
I want to get a battery backup or a basepump. Installation of the
basepump looks difficult in my situation, and my interest in the
battery pump rises and falls. I should have gotten a 1/2HP pump when
I replaced my broken one, instead of the same thing 1/3. Once in the
last 36 years, counting the previous owner, a 1/3hp pump wasn't enough
to keep up with what is coming in the sump.
But normally, the sump won't overflow even if there is no sump pump.
Water rises now to 6" below the floor and usually stops there. In
heavy rain it might rise more, but not 6' normally. Extra protection
is needed for non-normal times. Probably because the local electric
feeds are underground, I don't remember a power failure during heavy
rains. Usually it's when everyone's using the AC, or apparently
random times. So a power failure during abnormally high water would
be double abnormal. But i still wish i had the second pump. -
There's actually something that looks like an electric substation only
3 blocks from here, so there are only 2 blocks of overhead wiring were
a power failure could occur. UNLESS a failure to supply the
substation can occur. How likely is that?
Assuming the poster is for real and the 2000gpm thing is a mistake, I
don't see why he needs to go to the sink anyway. He already has one
sump pump that drains outside. Just tie the second one into the line
for the first one, with check valves on both. Two totally
would be better, but usually it's the pump that fails not the pipe.
you could make the case for one of the check valves getting stuck
but seems kind of unlikely. Even if that happened, you'd then have
second pump kick on and wind up with it pumping out anyway.
On Jan 15, 3:19 pm, dmfoerster_at_swiftel_dot firstname.lastname@example.org (woods)
As others have said, it would be better to route it outside, and
shouldn't be too hard if you already have one pipe going outside.
First off, it's legal, and second, you would never have to worry about
overflow making a mess inside the house. But to answer your question:
probably. The first question is whether the sink is bigger than the
sump well - you can take some measurements on that one. Might require
a little math. Assuming the sink is bigger, the second question is
whether the sink would drain before the sump went again, in heavy flow
conditions. You would probably just have to try it and see how long
it takes to drain. Just put a stopper in the sink, fill it up, then
pull the plug and time how long it takes to drain. -- H
I have two electric pumps, with two separate level sensing switches, so one
pump normally runs, and one is a backup to turn on in case the water level
rises about 3 inches higher than the first pump setting. I also have a wa
ter operated pump that is set to turn on about 3 inches above the second el
ectric pump, in case both electric pumps fail or a failure of the mains AC.
So far I have never needed the water operated pump, but there is peace of
mind knowing that it is there in case of a prolonged power failure. I do
test the pumps about once a year by disconnecting the AC power until the wa
ter pump operates, and then once is is going, I turn on the power and check
that both electric pumps do work.
A question, sump pump users, do you have back up power?
My daughter and SIL installed sump pump with battery and gen set back up
power. Few years ago flood hit their neighborhood. When power went out
whole house got flooded causing more than 100G damage. Luckily insurance
covered every thing per market value. As a result they have new pump
system with back up power.
So, your daughter installs a generator and battery
sump, and THEN they have a flood? That is so
inconvenient. Please report what was the failed
brand, and what is the good brand of new pump
system that actually works.
Many readers of this list will want to know what
brand to avoid, and what to reccomend.
My parents house relies on a sump pump. The only
backup is the generator in the garage that hasn't
been run in many years.
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