interesting 3d cad program

Well, Oracle's "Virtual Box" will let you run Linux on Windows. Free, works good.

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Bill
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There are two constants in the computer world. One Unix and/or its derivatives are the OS of the future and the other is Windows is dead. It has been this way since I seriously got into computers in the 1980's, and it is still the same way.

This is on the same category as Donald Trump will be defeated by Hilary, and if elected will not be a good president.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

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Keith Nuttle

Virtual Box is free and works.

VMWare Workstation Player used to be free but now it's 150 bucks--also works well.

In either case check the compability list and make sure your hardware supports it. And get lots and lots of RAM.

Merry Christmas.

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J. Clarke

A good trick, as Linux has only been around fer 25 yrs. ;)

nb

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notbob

Linux, to anyone who is not a Sheldon Cooper clone, is just another flavor of Unix.

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J. Clarke

I guess you're not old enough to have heard of OS/2.

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krw

krw wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

What's OS/2 got to do with Linux? I've played with OS/2 2.1, and Warp 3, and it feels nothing like Linux. (Never did get Warp 4. I'd like to have a copy to play with if anyone happens to still have one.)

It had its problems, but they did put together a pretty decent UI.

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

Keith Nuttle wrote in news:o3oem9$sd0$ snipped-for-privacy@gioia.aioe.org:

Yep, I know. But, at a young age I came to realize Windows is actually really really good. Linux desktop of that era was really really bad, I remember waiting for XWindows to start, going to a church dinner and finding the computer was still working on starting it... on a 486. I've got some experience with Debian, MintPPC, and Raspberry Pi's UIs and they're quite usable. (MintPPC is in major need of an update.) Raspbian's UI is quite good, with a few problems. (How hard is it to add an icon to the desktop? What's wrong with the good ol' right click, "Add Shortcut...")

We're seeing a shift, more people than ever are talking about Linux. I won't say "2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop" because it won't. Linux will take over like Firefox... Slowly. All of a sudden you realize Firefox has to be taken seriously. (That's a whole 'nother can of worms... because now you realize Firefox *can't* be taken seriously anymore. The fork Pale Moon is really good.)

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

Before Windows was "losing market share and being buried by Linux", it was "losing market share and being buried by OS/2". Same absurd proposition. Linux is for nerds and people who get a thrill from being their own system programmer. It always will be.

Threw mine out years ago, when I finally went to the dark side (Win2K).

It's problems were in Redmond.

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krw

....which has been around fer 43 yrs.

I certainly hope yer WW measurements are more accurate. ;)

nb

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notbob

Someone recently gave me an older Apple Ipad (I'm on day 2). It appears to show little respect for my privacy...

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Bill

Do you have ADHD? The reason I ask is that there's a behavior characteristic of ADHDers which we call "Ready, Fire, Aim". Perhaps your comment should have been aimed at someone who actually reported some manner of measurement.

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J. Clarke

When I got my first computer the first thing I did was install OS/2. I ran several computers on OS/2 including a LAN server until the 1990. and when the company I worked for was purchased by a company who ran the Windows server.

When I purchased a new personal computer and was forced into the of world Windows 98, it was like going back into the dark ages.

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Keith Nuttle

No. Do you?

You seem to know waaaay more about it than I do. so I'll defer to yer opinion.

Perhaps. You have any suggestions? ;)

nb

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notbob

Yes.

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J. Clarke

Windows was never really good, let alone really, really good. Well, there was one version of windows that was really good, and that was OS/2. The only version of Win that actually worked.

The desk top is dying a fast death. Kids (under 40) today don't use them, they use their cell phones. Actually they use todays Portable Computer (PC), which is incorrectly called a cell phone. Almost no one uses the cell phone part of their PC much, they use text for that. Otherwise it's social media.

As for Linux, (which of course is really just a hacked copy of Unix) that has already killed Windows dead as hell. 99% of PC's (aka cell phones) are powered by UNIX based OS's. Android and Mac OS are based on UNIX, not windows. The Desktop is dead, killed by so called cell phones. The entire internet runs on Unix, almost all cell phones (PC's) run on Unix based OS's.

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Jack

My first computer ran DOS 2.1, because 2.0 never worked.

1990. and

I ran OS/2 at home for many years, until IBM saw it was about to kill windows, then they, (and I begrudgingly) let it go. My brother still runs it. There is a company somewhere that keeps it going. OS/2 WARP not only made WIN 95 and Win 98 look like they were from the dark ages, it would make WIN 10 look like it is from the dark ages.

You could run DOS, WIN95 and OS/2 apps all at the same time, seamlessly. When WIN would crash, like it has always done since it's first version, everything else kept running, and all you need to do was close the WIN session and open another.

Windows (Microsoft) is the scourge of computing. It is a perfect example of why the government invented anti-trust laws, and unfortunately, what can happen if they are ignored/bought off. Another feather in the Clinton reign of corruption.

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Jack

It was never "about to kill Windows". If it was achieving any significant market penetration IBM would have kept producing it. Why would IBM have any qualms about killing Windows?

The product is called "ecomstation". I ran OS/2 for a long time but eventually the difficulty of obtaining applications rendered it of no real utility.

That's a matter of opinion. Yours is much in the minority.

No, you could not. The built in support for Windows ended at Windows 3.1. There was no support at all for native Windows 95 applications, EVER.

If Windows 10 is crashing on you you need to repair your computer. The ones that I've seen that do that either are on broken hardware or were upgraded from an older version--the upgrade doesn't clean house thoroughly enough apparently.

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J. Clarke

Jack wrote in news:o3tv4r$nk5$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

Well, we'll disagree there. Windows 9x had a good UI, but did lack in stability and security wasn't a big concern until Windows XP SP2. NT 4.0 had the stability (mostly) and UI of Windows 98, which is what I was running for quite some time.

I had a Mac running OS 8 at the same time (I couldn't be bothered to spend the cash for OS X, which Btw is a GUI on top of Unix), and Windows NT was much better. Maybe it was what I was used to, maybe it was that I treated the Mac as a toy and didn't do any real work... Or maybe Windows NT was much better.

The desktop is not dying, but it is severly shrinking. When you need to sit down and get some work done, there's little better interface out there than the ultra-precise mouse and confident keyboard.

What will happen is every family will have a computer for typing reports and the like, but will also have multiple portable devices OR perhaps the portable device with multiple interfaces will finally catch on. When you need to type and mouse, your portable device can be plugged in to another device that provides that hardware and maybe a bigger screen and your phone can become your computer. This isn't a new idea, I've got a LapDock for my Pi. (It might have caught on if the LapDock didn't have to cost so much.)

There's more servers running Windows Server and IIS than you'd think. I wouldn't say the entire Internet runs on Unix, but a significant portion does.

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

Not all under 40. My son is 24 and is a linux guru. He uses a laptop, as well as his phone, also uses windows for work. So he's multi lingual. He's C++ , C , java, and other language capable.

I find the cell phone less capable than a laptop. I have not been impressed with the cell phone. Actually disappointed. I get frustrated by sites that won't let me view w/o an add blocker. Then they jump aroud like crazy while constantly re-displaying different size ads. that cause me to lose my place. I find the interface clunky and not as smooth as I would hope it would be. So my thumb goes down on the android interface.

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woodchucker

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