good price on a gcm12sd-rt bosch cms

It may be a new saw. Some manufacturers make the same exact product and mark some cartons "reconditioned" so outlet stores can sell them at a reduced price. That way you don't piss off the regular sellers that sell them at list price.

I don't know specifically if Bosch does that but I've seen it at some other plants over the years. I used to go into a lot of factories and saw a lot of thing like that. Appliances the same way.

have seen it done online for sure and it is usually done by the manufacturer so as not to anger their distributors

the word reconditioned might also have some vague meaning that could introduce the right amount of plausible deniability

so if it ever comes up they can just argue ad nauseum about that word as lawyers love to do

checked out does

not mean fixed

could still

have

intermittent problem not

found

by inspectors

maybe there

was

no problem at all

just returned as

unwanted

still just new

not

better

than

Last year I bought a reconditioned laptop computer through Amazon. It was brand Fing new. Never unwrapped, never opened. It was brand new direct from the maker. But Amazon said it was reconditioned.

Full 100% warranty too.

from theeir site

Each tool is disassembled, inspected, cleaned, rebuilt with new parts, tested, calibrated to exact specifications and fully restored to pristine condition by hand. And that includes the case it came in.

new tools do not get that attention

How could you know this?

It probably was, reconditioned can mean it did not work in QC testing (a concept that is dying) and was fixed, or QC testing broke it and then it was fixed. Then again there is "reality TV" so words do not mean what they mean when transposed by corporations.

Come on, do you really believe all that?

They rebuild the case with new parts? What parts? Once I see any part of claim to be suspicious, I am suspicious of anything related to it.

AFAIK, if a customer returns a tool simply because they don't like it, it can't be sold as new. So it goes it through its testing and the tech finds nothing wrong. What "new parts" does he rebuild it with? I guess if they replace even a single screw, they are being true to their word, but at that point it's just a game of words.

What the testing consist of? Let's look at the saw in question. I seriously doubt they cut a a compound miter in a piece of crown molding and then clean all the sawdust from each noon and cranny before boxing it back up.

Saying that they test it doesn't impress me.

That's true. A new tool starts disassembled and is built with all new parts. Hopefully that is done under strict manufacturing guidelines. If not, then the company is going to be selling a lot (all?) of thier tools labeled as reburbished after they get returned and rebuilt.

I'm not saying that refurbished items aren't a great deal. I've bought a few in my day. I'm just saying that the claim you posted seems more like marketing-speak than truth.

This is also done to get rid of a particular model with out having to stand behind the product with a full warranty.

That may be true in some cases, but in many cases the same warranty applies to the refurbished item as applies to a new one. I'm typing on such an item right now.

Well, not right *now*. Wait, yes I am, but it's my now, not your now.

Where is St. Augustine when you need him?

Absolutely.

I'm typing on such an item right now.

In my yard! ;!)

One of the most common types of grass in southern Texas is St. Augustine, AKA carpet grass.

I have at least three hybrids of St. Augustine on my property.

St. Aug is a few hours away and grass farms are all about.

I get it maybe 6-7" thick when it is fed water and mowed high. Deep green. I mow down to 5" then down to 3" to winter. Then it springs upwards again - faster than I can cut so I let it grow to hide the roots from the hot dry sun.

Mart> >>> >>>>>

I thought it was just below Jacksonville, FL.

From what I understand, all St. Augustine is hybrid. It will go to seed but the seed are sterile.

Where do you live?

I asked about "him" not "it".

Fake QC? Alternate QC?

Dave in SoTex

;!) Yeah..

Consumer QC!