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What's this, you upset / confused why I'm not grateful for you posting a link that only plays lip service to the actual problem?

See, you either believe you have domain over *all* other animals, in which case you can pretend you are interest in their welfare when all you are doing supporting the real issue, their death, suffering and exploitation or you believe that all animals deserve the right to be left the f*ck alone and so campaigning to have them stunned before their throats are cut or played music whilst they are gassed is no solution to anything.

You can protest and campaign and demand this or that and it makes f*ck all difference to the fact that innocent, sentient, trusting and intelligent creatures are having their lives taken away from them (and in the process, impacting the lives of many many other animals, inc us!) for no practical reason.

Cheers, T i m

I expect my leather shoes, from a renewable resource, have far less impact on the environment than your plastic shoes taking into account the fossil oil used and production of greenhouse gases to make them.

Is it 6kg of CO2 for every 1kg of plastic?

No it you wore wooden clogs.........

Can you get vegan sausage rolls from your local butcher? Quite right, hardly a comparison.

Why do vegans fake meat dishes? Vegan sausages vegan eggs vegan burgers vegan meat loaf trying to find vegan equivalents of bacon. We eat vegetarian dishes quite often yesterday it was a very nice cauliflower and broccoli bake no need to call it something that mimics a meat equivalent.

He doesn't care who / what he hurts, he's a troll.

And as for the continuing B12 bollox ... 90% of the B12 that is manufactured is fed to the live stock he loves to torture and kill, otherwise he'd get none, the stupid trolling hypocrite.

Cheers, T i m

A "fact" that is only ever found on vegan websites.

Cattle make cobalamin (B12) in their rumen via bacteria that's part of their microflora that convert trace elements of cobalt from the grasses/forbs they eat.

What cattle are fed is a wide range of minerals, namely copper, iodine, selenium and cobalt.

If there is a B12 deficiency the vitamin is injected, normally the young as a deficiency slows growth.

Of course this will be called BS and because you won't like me saying it you'll be calling me a troll and/or tosser.

Because meat tastes nice.

Bet that would have been improved with some bacon bits though :-)

Owain

And we don't make the fake meats of course, the companies making the 'fake meat' do and want them and the ready meals to be attractive to the greatest number of people, including meat eaters and those looking to stop supporting all the animal pain and suffering and making the transition away from meat easier (we are all creatures of habit and that of course is very much part of the problem).

'Vegan's' rarely make 'fake meat dishes' (other than for their meat eating guests) as there is plenty of goodness, taste and nutrition in plant and plant based foods but why would it matter if they did, as long as no animals suffered and died?

It all just sounds like more excuses / opportunities to poke holes in a goal to stop the unnecessary pain, suffering and death of animals?

Most vegan's weren't brought up as such as it's something they have moved to when:

They decided the number of animals that were being made to suffer was getting intolerable.

The alternatives were much more widely available.

The pollution levels cause by live stock were becoming substantial.

The greenhouse gasses caused by live stock were becoming substantial.

The amount of wasted plant growing resource was becoming unsustainable.

The damage to the ecosystem was killing loads of wildlife.

All the above is putting all animals at risk (including us).

Cheers, T i m

Stand by for the Gospel that you follow to be revised in the near future.

The news on R4 this morning mentioned the damage allegedly caused by the food industry and how such imports might be banned in the future - the list of items to be banned included the ritual condemnation of beef, of course, but high on that very short list was... Soy products!

You might be wise, and while you can revisit all your postings extolling the virtues of soy products and make sure they are deleted from the archives, or risk that in the future you might well suffer the same treatment from the antisoy brigade that you have so gratuitously handed out to others in your zealotry over vegan diets.

You have to accept that undertaking a narcissistic virtue-signalling lifestyle choice implies that you have to be prepared to shift views and choices at a moment's notice as the virtues change with the seasons, and that your past record may well be exposed and used against you. Get deleting...or you could just turn out to be the wrong sort of vegan....

Roasting joints, smoked bacon, scallops, Italian salamis etc ?

Shurely coeliacs should be able to read by now?

Just what items from your local store would ex-druggies be weakened by?

Toilet cleaner? Vim?

How's the rehab coming along?

Who TF wants to find h i m anyway?

Made infinitely better use of resources too :,-)

You fixed any punctures lately?