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What is even more interesting is that it was not hard to find fault with that sentence and that you immediately apportion blame to the reader. Finding sense in that sentence is the hard part. Impressed by the way you don't miss the opportunity to chuck in a brain handedness remark.

I am not responsible for your lack of comprehension.

Like you were actually interested in doing so.

Because it's pertinent.

Instead of trying to pick holes and assuming you do actually GAF about animals, why don't you support me, given all I'm trying to do is end as much animal suffering and exploitation as possible?

Not supporting that cause confirms all I suspect.

Cheers, T i m

Just to let you know you are one of the winners of my 'I'm bored with the pointless troll now so time to ignore them' prizes, just saying ...

Cheers, T i m

I do hold you responsible for posting a poorly structured sentence. I am able to understand what you meant as I have had dealings with people whose first language is not English.

That thinking of yours is somewhat flawed. Had I not had an interest in parsing the sentence, I'd not have commented on the really poor structure.

No, it is not.

How about this then:

Well, I tried an Asda Plant Based Vegan Curry with Jackfruit (mostly because it was half price).

It was palatable enough at the time but (a) I was hungry again a few hours later (b) my toilet output this morning was less solid than usual.

I think I'll have a black pudding tonight to compensate.

Owain

IYHO I'm guessing, given this is a d-i-y group and not your English language class?

Good for you. So, what was all the fuss about then?

We will see ...

Bwhahaha. Poor left brainer troll. Once again the point whooshes him.

Your only 'interest' was to poke holes and is all it ever has been.

'Of course' you wouldn't see that because you are the one suffering the problem.

Oh, I didn't realise you worked for the RSPCA or the government, why didn't you say you were so influential?

So, you are trying to ensure we still have a say in a system that we did have a say in before we left it for no (as yet) genuine reason? Brilliant.

... or do you think posting that link means you are doing something practical?

See, it really doesn't matter where the animals are coming from or how good any 'so called' welfare is, what would really make a difference (irrespective of where the dead animal flesh comes from), is if there is no demand. Simples.

So all that happens is the meat eaters and animal exploiters will be causing even more pain and suffering when they could so easily

Of course the truth is the majority would rather just cover their eyes to the blood, their ears to the screams of pain and their minds to the psychological suffering because they simply 'like' the taste.

Many of the same claim to love and look after pets and 'protect' wildlife but are happy to kill and exploit other animals? What is it we are doing when we protect 'wild life'? We are protecting the

So we can protect 'wild -life' but not all 'all-life' and take life, based on a whim, simply for our pleasure?

One *sure* way to stop the whole disgusting process is to not be a part of it ... unless you consider yourself a doG or are above all other animals (for some arbitrary set of standards, set by yourself) of course.

Cheers, T i m

Well, 'well done' (genuinely) for giving it a go (irrespective of the reason) and reporting back here. At least it shows 'some' level of open-mindedness, even towards saving money. ;-)

Ok, so that was a start (I'd never even heard of a 'jackfruit' till I had a vegan Pizza and looked into them).

Sure, see, 'vegan food' isn't *supposed* to be a panacea of all things to all people all times, it's *primarily* to remove the pain and suffering of innocent animals and given it's quite new from a commercial POV, 'not surprising that it's not settled down yet? And it's not 'a thing' either, it all foods that just don't contain or exploit animals, leaving the choice of everything else (given we only actually kill / exploit a few specific species of animal in the UK).

e.d. Vegans know that our taste buds can be very different and so even amongst the vegans there will be foods (meals and ingredients) that one person loves and another doesn't, just as with animal based foods.

There are also areas that are definitely lacking, like cheese, however, yesterday we had burger, onion, sheese, tomato, tomato sauce in a home made (as it happens) whole grain roll and it was perfectly fine, very filling and 'satisfied' like any meat based burger ever has. Today (because I had cooled the rolls) we had a facon, onion, mushroom and brown sauce roll (with a nice mug of tea with oat milk) and again, two empty plates and we will be happy till later tonight.

As can be the case when we try anything different?

So what you are saying is that by having some animals blood, flesh ( causing animal pain and suffering) and cereal, that somehow 'compensates' for not causing that?

Isn't that like being on a weight reducing diet and compensating for the lack of food by eating more food?

If you have no real interest in losing weight then It would make sense of course.

'Our' focus is simply that we love and respect the lives of all animals (not just some arbitrary list of species) and so don't want to cause any of them any pain and suffering wherever practical and possible. What happens after that will be what it will be. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

It's my tummy telling me it wants something nice and meaty fairly soon.

But the aim of a weight reducing diet is to reduce weight. The aim of a vegetarian diet isn't to lose weight.

Anyway, I haven't had a meaty main meal since Tuesday, so it's not like I'm slaughtering six chickens a week.

Owain

I'm not sure if it's that or your head? I used to enjoy a burger now and again, and the 'Sausage and Egg McMuffin' (or two) but I can get all that with meat free alternatives, especially when I remember *why* I'm doing so.

Em, yes ...

Quite ... I was confirming that and hinting that it might not be a (mental / cravings) issue, if you were doing it for the 'right reason'?

eg, Most vegetarians / vegans don't eat veg or *just* eat veg because they prefer the taste as such, but because of what they *aren't* eating.

And that's also good to hear (to me etc), even if it wasn't planned for any reason etc.

It depends how many eggs or egg based products you (one) had over the same period?

What is it in us that forces us to care for a sick or injured cat or dog, or 'protect wildlife ... but actually breed, inhumanely keep (in many cases), psychologically torture and finally kill and eat, 'other animals?

It just doesn't make sense ... *when* you think about it. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

There were probably eggs in some things incidentally. But no actual eggs (and this week, not even a quiche).

Owain

Even pigs will eat meat and 2 veg given the chance.

Depends who made them. Local butcher does very good sausage rolls and doesn't put rubbish in them because he only gets prepared carcases from his supplier.

So not really comparing like with like are we?

Mass produced sausage rolls (vegan or otherwise) with hand made local butcher ones?

Cheers, T i m

Quite likely but it's quite easy to replace egg in many cooked things, it's fresh eggs (like scrambled or poached) that takes a bit more effort. I think they do a 'ready to cook' scrambled egg in some countries (USA?) but I don't think it's here yet (I think you fry it, at takes a bit longer and many don't notice the difference when given it <g>). I think daughter has done some with tofu and a pepper of some sort and said it was pretty good.

;-)

I tried some vegan cheese sauce (powder) daughter got us on our dinner tonight and it did the job.

Cheers, T i m

Yep, he calls facts he doesn't like to hear BS and the corresponding poster a troll or tosser or both.

If you'd shut up about veganism, I would be more than happy to.

If you can't tell the difference between real scrambled eggs and the synthetic variety, then you have a means to hand of reducing your B12 deficiency without consuming factory-produced supplementation - thus freeing up agricultural land for real crops instead of those that are needed to support an artificial narcissistic virtue-signalling lifestyle choice.

F*ck you then.

Not exactly convincing your approach hasn?t exactly convinced anyone here of anything other than that you are a bigot.

You at least know when you?re beaten.