Where does paint all go?

especially "Fijian water".

We don't know yet, probably 'quite some time'. Actually, that was the quantity required for free collection, I see they now have loads of free dropoff points that I assume have no minimum limit.

I don't know, I'd like to think so:

The crisp packets are cleaned and shredded to turn them into plastic pellets. These pellets are then transformed into park benches, plant pots, watering cans and cool bags."

I'd hope not.

Because they don't care what brand you hand in, I'm wondering if there might also be a market survey going on?

Cheers, T i m

Whilst that might case, it's far from the case round here, rather just smaller concerns dumping smaller quantities of stuff.

Again, neighbour caught someone dragging a one tonne bag of mixed building and garden crap out of the back of their small van and onto the road / pavement.

I believe I saw the same van parked round the corner, outside the house of a questionable family. We also saw the Council 'Street Cleansing' truck come a collect it a couple of days later and it looked like it wasn't an easy drag, even onto the tail lift. Had I been sure the van belonged to that house, I may have been more inclined to drop some of it back over their fence whilst dog walking late one night.

You country folk may well see the lion's share of the tipper trucks full of old ashfelt and crazy paving though and more 'industrial' loads / waste.

Cheers, T i m

True. And I understand they don't walk as often as we do so less likely to drop stuff they were carrying as they do?

Do you think there is that link then? [1]

Much / most of what I see is likely to be dropped by people on foot. Little corners seem to attract drink cans and bottles that couldn't be reached from the road and are too protected to have been blown there by the wind (unlike the carrier bags / plastic bits in the trees and bushes).

This is most evident on any route often used by school kids. Once they are finished with it (wrapper, bag or bottle) they just drop it wherever they are or throw it into one of these 'corners' as they pass by.

My Mums house has a low front wall, opposite a bus stop and was a small portion of chips away from a chip shop. It was very common to find the empty paper wrappers or the remainder of the uneaten food left on the wall or in her front garden. ;-(

I have *never* left such things anywhere and simply couldn't.

Cheers, T i m

I have even seen someone putting small bits of paper in our general waste bin (well, some went on the floor) when the difference in distance between them and their car, their own bin and ours was only a couple of meters. We don't put our (bagged) dog waste in other peoples bins, even if it's a fair way home or to the next / dog / public general waste bin.

is he really in Australia?

You sound like a right nutter.

Bill

Good grief.

"... The Cleveland Water Department ran tests comparing a bottle of Fiji Water to Cleveland tap water and some other national bottled brands. Fiji Water reportedly contained 6.31 micrograms of arsenic per litre, whereas the tap water of Cleveland contained none.[27] In a

In the same way the 'done thing' when you are selling an expensive house is to fit a new kitchen to sell it and the fist thing any new owner will do is rip out the brand new kitchen and fit a new one, the 'old' stuff going in the skip (that's part of the effect), not being offered to friends or on Freecycle etc.

Like you hear of celebs having stuff 'flown in' especially for them or only wearing their clothes once (before binning, not recycling them).

I don't begrudge them having the money to do it, I am frustrated that they don't have the social conscience not to do it.

Cheers, T i m

You'll never educate the dregs of society. It's too late. The parents have no concept of civic or social responsibility. The schools aren't much better.

Bill

They just burn them. Obviously. They aren't going to fill them with crisps and glue them shut are they? It's ridiculous what some people do just to make themselves feel good.

Bill

that is simply how his computer is set up

Yeah, 'obviously', and just buy the plastic furniture, plant pots and watering cans in from elsewhere. Is that what you saw when you visited their plant?

Of course they aren't. You off yer meds again Bill?

Or what they try to do for the planet I'm guessing, according to you.

No, the feeling good bit is eating the crisps in the first place (*especially* Walkers Cheese and onion), having them recycle the bags is just a bonus.

Cheers, T i m

I don't think it's ever too late, even if it's too late for a range of generations.

eg. Loads of people used to throw away (landfill) all sorts of things that the same people now (have to) recycle or they don't get their bins collected. Eg, they have been 'educated' to do that, even if they don't see or understand why they should.

'Those parents', yes, I agree. My parents did though, as we do and as our daughter does and my step-granddaughter will.

I think too much pressure is put on the schools to provide parenting to those children who don't get any. This in turn lowers the opportunities for those who want to learn, as the teachers have to waste time trying to 'manage' the kids who haven't been taught about respect and how to behave in public.[1]

So, our daughter quietly conferring with the person sitting next to her about what they should be doing (because the other person wasn't listening or didn't get it) would be told to 'Be quiet' (because she was a soft target) whilst a small group of wasters smash up furniture and burn it at the back of the class. It's no point trying to manage them because they are unmanageable *because* their parents didn't parent them properly or respect the school / teachers either.

Cheers, T i m

Chop everything up with a Tyranosaur shredder (even engine blocks!), extract the ferrous metal with magnets and the non-ferrous with moving magnetic fields (induction motor effect). Put the remainder into a plasma arc syngas generator and *EVERYTHING* is clean burn! Take the syngas and extract heat to produce steam for a turbine. Extract more heat to heat feed water for the steam heat exchanger; burn the syngas in a gas turbine. Sell the excess electricity produced by the turbines.

That was the system that was being planned some years ago.

SteveW

My parents' old kitchen went to their newly purchased property in France and stayed there until they sold it 29 years later - so they had a

When I bought this house, I kept the existing kitchen for some years (changing the worktops and damaged sink) and only replaced the rest when I needed more cupboards and could not match them. Two of the doors were retained to re-do our electric cupboard in the hall and have just been re-varnished.

We are now another 15 years on and about to redo the kitchen. The carcasses will remain, but the worktop near the sink has begun to swell and needs changing anyway as we are replacing a cooker with a separate oven and hob, the end one is too narrow since we rearranged the layout and the third one is too short and so has a joiner where it was extended for an extra cupboard. The cupboard door foils have begun to peel and the laminate flooring has suffered from a bit too much water after years of mopping and a couple of recent floods from a faulty washing machine.

I think we are getting a reasonable life out of most of it.

I don't send clothes to recycling, but they are worn until they are past it (even my children's clothes are kept for when I send them under the floor - my arthritic knees mean that crawling under the floor is reserved for me carrying out terminations of cables and the like), then relegated to "work" clothes and finally rags for cleaning. My wife tends to wear clothes until they start to come apart (I am lucky - she hates clothes shopping).

It is a totally different mindset. We re-use many things and keep others going long after many people would have discarded them, but it takes an odd mindset to buy things and use them once. I have difficulty even buying special tools that may be only used once and do my best to work around such problems, even though it can cause difficulties trying to do some jobs.

SteveW

I don't know, but in 1999, I used to visit a factory that was producing

SteveW

I have just bought some underlay and it appears to be made from recycled plastic, as there are a few "solid" pieces in it.

SteveW

Is this part of the "terracycle" scheme/network?

Several of those boxes down in town for bread bags, crisp packets and other stuff. I think people running them have sent of one consignment of crisp packets after about 6 months of collection with anyone able to drop off.

That's the trouble with plastic it's bulky and light. You need an awful lot of whatever items to get a worthwhile weight.

No attempt to recover the aluminimum? Aluminium consumes huge amounts of energy to extract from bauxite.

I'm more of the mind that it's a coporate "carbon reduction" box ticking excercise. "We recycled x million packets last year saving y tonnes of CO2". At least they allow any makers crisp packet but why not any metalised plastic film, like that around multipacks of some confectionary?

Quite a few of the terracycle collections are brand specific which also rings the corporate box ticking alarm bell.

Lovely plan. Now sell it to the neighbours:-(

Governments elected by popular vote do not have the intestinal fortitude for such decisions.

Even I don't think he's that, well not for this reason anyway :-)

And I bet he knows the differnce between a right nutter and a left nutter, do you .