People did actually. Its no bad place to keep it especially when it was 'stolen' from the mines anyway.
we couldn't actually afford to have baths much as a kid. Anyway iot was too bloody cold with no central heating. 2" of tepid water in an icy bathroom with perhaps a paraffin heater.
And all that in a house which is being sold today for £500k.
IMM is bonkers - he has no iea what things were really like before he was born. He gets it all out of his Bumper Books.
If you "think" you know everything already, then why are you asking?
If you intend to write a book on council houses then you had better learn some of the politics behind them, as they are by nature political.
deliberately
Spoken like a true snot.
You are the snot. I wasa live in the 50's and brotther, it was hard.
Proper people can spell "between"?
Mary
Not so. The Tory party exists on petty snobbery and class division and aim to get that vote. If thicko Tory voting lower middle class office waller doesn't like something they pander to him as they mean they are voted in or not.
Yes, one of the Bevan houses. MacMillan, and later Tory governments, changed all that for the worse.
The council homes I'm sure. The aim was to keep people out of fuel poverty.
Council homes were deliberately made not to look appealing. It is true that many of the Bevan homes were well constructed and "reasonably" roomy for British homes, yet they did not want them to look better than the private homes. Good old British petty snobbery enters again.
Arte you sure?
I am not. I did not go to one of those snot universities.
Did you live a cardboard box and every morning have to clean the lake?
This is utter rubbish. If you want a well-built, well-designed, and reasonably sized house you could a lot worse than one of the
1950's council houses built by Surbiton Borough Council. There's a site in New Malden redeveloped during my BCO days where half the houses were built for sale, half for the Council. Guess which ones had the better insulation?
Do you like mouldy damp clothes ? ;-)
Probably, Barratt and other timber framed hous builders deserved their reputation. I like timber framed houses. I live in one at present. It was built three hundred years ago and has survived without any of the problems highlighted in those scare stories. I liked it so much that I had a timber framed garage built which (touch wood) has been problem free so far. However both buildings were constructed in green oak, and constructed by people who knew hoe to work with the material.
Many timber framed houses of the 70s/80s were so badly built that IMO the builders who constructed them were tradign fraudulently. My daughter lived for a time in a Guildway timber framed house. The company went spectacularly bust and their former premises are now Guildford's main Park and Ride car park. The house was a IMO a total disaster and after five years serious rot had affected the structural integrity.
This was because the house was constructed from cheap softwood that had not been proeprly dried and that had been soaked with water during construction. The panels were then covered with a polythene vapour control membrane which sealed in the water and over the years fungi had a great time in the unventilated, warm, steamy voids of the house.
Barratt IIRC had a similar piss-poor construction.
Now, at the same time you could buy softwood timber framed homes from the likes of Potton for self-build. AFAIK these houses are problem free because ventilation is adequate and the main structural timbers are exposed to the air.
It's not a blanket timber frame is bad, it's the usual some builders are bad. And of those, I wouldn't touch a Barratt rabbit hutch with an insulated pole.
When we use the flat in London we never turn the heating on. Throw the windows open yes, but never, ever turn the heating on. I dont' know how people live in London. It's an investment/distress usage for me, it stinks, the air is sick, the people are sick, the temperature is far too high and all I can think of when travellign around is Soylent Green.
Mmmmmmmm Soylent Green.
No indeed, in fact you did not go to any university. Nor did you obtain a degree of any sort.
Eh? We don't have them ... are you speaking from your own experience?
Mary
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No, thats teh labour party you are talking about.
Fancey spending all that time on Fox Hunting whilst spending millions blwoing up Iraq as well..
. If thicko Tory voting lower middle class office waller
Who hass brought class into this discussion?
Laber Votah.
I rest my case.
No, they were done cheap. That's all. Solid, but boring.
The true antecedent of tehBarrat SupetHutch.
Except they weren't really solid.
No more than you did.
I lived in a coal fired non centrally heated 50's brick house, that was just about as boring and unpretentious as the council houses down the road.
Of course not having as much disposable income due to having to pay a mortgage, we didn't have things like cars.
I did get a free education, because in those days there was felt to be a need to educate intelligent people no matter how low and income their parents had, and with my fathers death in 1964, it wasn't much.
Later on I discovered how joining a union meant the people who worked machines on the shop floor got more money for less work than I did in the design office.
I then watched all my 'socialist' friends slapping down mortgages on properties I could never afford even a deposit on.
Eventually I decided that principles were crap, and people who mouthed them didn't hold them, so I had a crack at becoming a millionaire, and made it. Took far longer than it was supposed to, but heck, I found I still had some principles.
So I built a house, and discovered UK-D-I-Y, and yet another nasty little berk mouthing socialisms when it's totally plain that he had a decent income, probably owned his own house, and was in fact a member of the 'snotty lower middle class' that he affected to despise.
In short another little berk racked by jealousy and aiming to back a government to remove all the wealth from those who had spent a lifetime accumulating it, whilst he sat on his backside whingeing.
Nu Laber personified.
When I lived in a grotty student flat and couldn't afford to keep the place sufficiently well-heated in winter, that was one effect, yes. Are you really saying your house (when heated) is no hotter than 10C or is your choice of words just some disingenuous argument-making ?
Unfortunately, not too many people seem to agree with you judging by the traffic.
Jealousy? Great the way Tories want to keep the worker 'in his place'. Nice to know class snobbery is still alive and well.
That could be the critical word :-)
If the thermostat is set to 10C that's the result :-) When it's not heated it's warmer.
My choice of words is usually what I mean. I'm rarely disingenuous and although I do sometimes enjoy an argument I wasn't arguing with what you said.
I was suggesting that your experience might not be everyone's :-)
The difference between our lives and most people's is that we mostly only sit down at meal times, the rest of the time we're moving. We put on or take off clothes according to how uncomfortable we are. Much of the time we're outside. The house is well ventilated - when I'm cooking or baking either the door is open or the cooker extractor fan is switched on. The house is dry and very well insulated - walls, roofspace and windows. We don't have carpets. We wear sandals almost all the time, unless we're walking in deep snow or mud, when we'll wear wellies. But we're not fanatical stoics!
The house always feels warm, other people have commented on it. When we're camping in either of our old caravans or in tents it does feel cold when we have ice and/or snow so then we light a fire. That doesn't have a thermostat of course so we need to turn it off (in the caravan) or move it outside (tent) until we're comfortable. We'll be camping at Bannockburn this weekend, we'll make sure that we have enough personal and bed clothing to keep us warm. When we come back we shall air the tent thoroughly to ensure that it's dry before we pack it ready for next time. I hate mildewed canvas.
We don't get colds either.
Much of the time, wherever we are, we're too hot in bed, that's been especially true this summer.
It's just our preference, not something we've thought much about. We've discovered what's comfortable for us but we don't expect others to do what we do.
Oh - just remembered, when it's very cold we do have the car heater on, usually because we only drive for fairly long journeys and are sitting still for a long time. On the scooter we wear enough clothing to protect us but those journeys are short.
OK?
Mary
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