Semi OT Latestbunch of idiots.

[tony sayer]

And I quote from those sources......

That's attracted the attention of developers world-wide who are grappling with solar subsidies drying up in nations burdened by mounting debt like Italy, Spain and Germany -- traditional solar powerhouses.

So Saudi Arabia represents a rare opportunity.

"Everyone is flying to Riyadh to make sure they are in on the bids," said Goldie-Scot.

Still, any Saudi solar commitment would likely translate into just a few gigawatts of solar power by 2020, said Goldie-Scot. That compares to world-leader Italy's eight gigawatts of solar installed in the last year alone. A gigawatt can power roughly 700,000 U.S. homes.

And..

While it may seem counterintuitive, the Arabian desert isn't actually the most ideal spot for solar.

While the near constant sunshine is good, solar panels become less efficient if they get too hot.

Dust is also a problem.

"They actually have guys with brushes continuously cleaning these panels," said Brett Prior, a senior analyst at GTM Research, speaking of a solar power project in neighbouring Abu Dhabi.

And..

Separately, the Saudi Press Agency reported the country was also moving forward with plans for up to 17 new nuclear reactors over the next 20 years, at an estimated cost of $100bn.

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So it seems they want to conserve their Oil by whatever means they can and that includes Solar, and note no windy mills but why if the Solar is the bees knees the 17 odd Nuclear reactors?..

And if they can't get Solar power to supply all there in one of the hottest parts of the world, then what chance do we have here?. Thats why we need Nuclear long term ..

[polygonum]

Where is the most ideal spot?

Strikes me that everywhere has downsides - so which location do the downsides add up to the smallest total down-ness? :-)

I was imagining panels floating on the flat Gulf sea between Abu Dhabi and Das Island... (Relatively) cool water keeping them from burning too much and a regular spray of water to reduce any dirt/dust.

[charles]

and then you'd have to contend with the salt left beind after the evaporation of the sea water. Nothing is that easy.

[polygonum]

Agreed. Was expecting that - though maybe doing the sluicing overnight would minimise the impact? - but where would be "best of all possible" places?

[The Natural Philosopher]

well in fact Harrythetroll, you haven't read that at all. You are as usual making it all up.

[The Natural Philosopher]

You haven't.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Thank you for explaining yourself.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Reality is for people who cant handle drugs.

Harrys problem is he cant handle either.

[The Natural Philosopher]

in the neighbourhood skip?

[The Natural Philosopher]

actually that is not a problem. just rinse it in seawater

The sea is a big place.

desalinations is simple in practice. seawater in one end, heat it, then pass water vapour to another sealed heat exchanger cooled by the sea, and condense it. All that happens is the seawater out of the first bit is saltierthan what went in. IIRC you can also use some kind of membrane so high pressure water oozes fresh water out the other side.,

[Steve Firth]

Whereas people with detailed knowledge, which I suggest is more than "some" knowledge have explained carefully to you that the "problem' is solved, even for situations where it was previously believed to be incapable of solution. What is more you have been provided with the appropriate references which you appear to be incapable of reading or incapable of understanding.

But it's not really that, is it harry? The fact is that you don't want to learn and you certainly dare not admit that you are wrong. As long as you stick your fingers in your ears and scream "NANANANANA" over and over again you won't have to listen to the truth you don't want to hear.

"The oil companies regard nuclear power as their rival, who will reduce their profits, so they put out a lot of disinformation about nuclear power." -- James Lovelock

"We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant. I personally can't stand windmills at any price." -- James Lovelock

"A television interviewer once asked me, 'But what about nuclear waste? Will it not poison the whole biosphere and persist for millions of years?' I knew this to be a nightmare fantasy wholly without substance in the real world... One of the striking things about places heavily contaminated by radioactive nuclides is the richness of their wildlife. This is true of the land around Chernobyl, the bomb test sites of the Pacific, and areas near the United States' Savannah River nuclear weapons plant of the Second World War. Wild plants and animals do not perceive radiation as dangerous, and any slight reduction it may cause in their lifespans is far less a hazard than is the presence of people and their pets... I find it sad, but all too human, that there are vast bureaucracies concerned about nuclear waste, huge organisations devoted to decommissioning power stations, but nothing comparable to deal with that truly malign waste, carbon dioxide." -- James Lovelock

"It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the Christian religion, I don't think people have noticed that, but it's got all the sort of terms that religions use ... The greens use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can't win people round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air." -- James Lovelock

[Windmill]

In space :-)

Corrosion........

[harryagain]

Your's is you can't handle facts.

[harryagain]

Blind as well as daft ar eyou?

[harryagain]

Oh? This one?

Well he argues against a lot of the things you have postulated here. I hope you are going to be consistant now. Or carry on cherrypicking.

You haven't studied his ideas at all have you? Maybe you should.

[harryagain]

Best place is high in the Himalayas. Nesr the equator/high altitude gives intense radiation. Cold improves efficiency. Not to much dust. Low atmospheric moisture. Dunno if blown ice crystal could be a problem. Would they stick?

[polygonum]

Not much demand for power there. So factor in some transmission systems. Still the best place?

[Steve Firth]

No he doesn't. What he does is to demolish the drivel you spout.

Stop taking to yourself.

You're wrong as ever.

Your usual failure to address the point noted.

[The Other Mike]

A lot more often than that, mainly for lift maintenance (6 months) now as aircraft warning lights have got far more reliable over the years.

Some have cameras up there too for stack monitoring although the top of the boiler house is more normal.

[dennis]

I doubt if you will find any plants that do it that way. You pump it through a reverse osmosis filter.

You need high pressure to get it to work, tap water will work at about

60 psi, sea water you need about 600+ psi.