Seems James Dyson was right after all.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Care to define what you mean by 'dust'?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

They did. Including Dyson. And he wanted a lower limit than the one proposed.

[Tim Streater]

Ask Dennis. He's the one claiming that filter-less Dysons will spread dust around the house.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

No. I'm asking you since you obviously are an expert on such things.

[Richard]

[James Wilkinson Sword]

My Vax sucks up rubble, wet parrot shit, fine dust, fibreglass, anything. No problem. Most stays in the reusable cloth bag. The small amount that gets through goes into the big cloth filter or the little sponge one. It's now 25 years old and the most that's gone wrong with it is a busted cable when I yanked it.

[bert]

In article , Tim Streater writes

All the Dysons I've owned have had filters - most have two.

[dennis]

Well the dust they spread would be much coarser if they didn't have them. If they don't have a motor one on the old dysons then you get carbon particles from the motor. There shouldn't be any from the brushless DC motors he claims are digital.

[whisky-dave]

Yes I know we have one at work.

Yes I know.

What of it.

No they don't they rarely if ever vacuum with a device that doesnl;t fill up with dust, most people don't vacuum with a brand new cleaner everyday either. Most clean with a cleamer that already has dirt in it.

Depending on the DIY.

Yes which is how most would use them, and how the henrey was used in the workshop. It was brought to suck up workshop related stuff as it was seen as a heavy duty cleaner not for rumble but for wood and metal working cleaning.

Why test a vacuum cleaner without any bag or dust in it. Like the fake test they do with cars they measure the MPG 0-60 and all sorts but with NO driver or passenger and sometimes only one seat present in a 4 seater car that might make sense to you but not me or most sensible people.

[whisky-dave]

Making his case to the European Court of Justice, the British inventor comp lained that vacuum cleaners are only tested when they are empty of dust, me aning the ratings are not reflective of performance in real-world condition s. His complaints echo those now being levelled at car emissions tests in t he wake of the Volkswagen cheating scandal.

Now in 2017.

Sir James Dyson has won his appeal over a case that argues European suction tests favour his competitors' vacuum cleaners.

In 2015, he lost a major legal battle in his bid to prove the tests gave mi sleading higher efficiency ratings to rivals' appliances.

Historic win'

The European Court of Justice said rules on the efficiency of vacuum cleane rs meant ratings should be based on how the devices were used in practice, not just in laboratories, and that the previous court hearing had not heard all the evidence supplied by Sir James at the time.

One of Dyson's contentions is that as rivals' cleaners fill with dust, the wattage - used to measure energy efficiency - increases to double the start ing level, meaning that appliances rated 'A' for efficiency end up as 'D' o r even 'E'.

[whisky-dave]

rote:

ws nailas and other crap cause the hose to get a split in it.

stuff and the dyson for lighter work the sort of uses it would get in a ho me.

rdcore with a dyson or a henry use the tools for what they were designed fo r.

r to knock out bricks ?

No problem. Most stays in the reusable cloth bag. The small amount that gets through goes into the big cloth filter or the little sponge one. It' s now 25 years old and the most that's gone wrong with it is a busted cable when I yanked it.

Some people have both and use the best tool for the job. My first cordless cleaner ran from 2 AA batteries I didn't expect it to suc k up rubble.

[dennis]

The test doesn't have a clean vac for most of the test. It gets dirty as soon as it starts to pickup dust. Maybe they should vac up 1kg of dirt and fluff. Dyson would love that as they would have to empty the damn thing several times with that much fluff. My vac wouldn't even fill 25% of the bag with 1kg of fluff.

[whisky-dave]

Then why didn't they agree to those tests. If I manufactured a cleane rthat was bettere than say dyson I;d want them to be tested until full of dust, how much dust and how they perfom as a graph building up to full, there mus t have been some reason. I wonder if its the same reason they wouldn't test cars with people in them or with seats or on roads.

[bert]

The V6 has only one filter.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

I expect a household cleaner to clean anything, not one specific thing.

[newshound]

I have a lot of time for Dyson, even if I won't be buying one of his flashy and expensive fans. I had a DC01 which I found somewhat clunky, but I now have a cordless which is excellent.

Apparently he owns more UK land than the Queen. And good luck to him, I say.

[whisky-dave]

rote:

crews nailas and other crap cause the hose to get a split in it.

uty stuff and the dyson for lighter work the sort of uses it would get in a home.

hardcore with a dyson or a henry use the tools for what they were designed for.

iver to knock out bricks ?

ng. No problem. Most stays in the reusable cloth bag. The small amount t hat gets through goes into the big cloth filter or the little sponge one. It's now 25 years old and the most that's gone wrong with it is a busted ca ble when I yanked it.

suck up rubble.

Then that would be yuor problem seems starange so many differnt cleaners ar e avaible them doen't it.

[whisky-dave]

I have one of the heater cooling tower fans for a year now very pleased with it, far better than the standard type of 2kw fan heater but I supose it should be considerign the cost.

Might be beacues it was one of the first.

Rather him than some oil shieke from qatar.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Out of curiosity, why is someone in your position using electricity to heat with anyway?

I'd also be interested to know how one type of 2 kW heater is better than another.

[dennis]

It told him so on the box.