OT: curious paragraph in the Guardian

I remember that smog, not because I was in it but because Auntie had recently moved into their wonderful new concrete doughnut. The 'Tonight' prog was on and they opened a pair of this huge scenery doors to show how far you could - or rather could not see because of the smog.

Sheffield used to suffer very similarly up until the early 70's due to the muck thrown out by the steel works' - many of which were technically in Rotherham!

Bill will be along in a minute to reminisce.

Reply to
Woody
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Tonight came from Lime Grove!

Reply to
charles

And now it's been trotted out by all you trolls and no-one else. Funny that.

Reply to
Tim Streater

When I were a lad t'smog were that bad we couldn't find our way home!

Ha! When I were a lad t'smog were that bad we couldn't find our way to where we were going so we never found out if we could have found our way home if we'd got there!

When I were a lad t'smog were that bad we couldn't find our front gate!

That's nothin'! When I were a lad t'smog were that bad if we went out o' t' dooer . . .

(cont p92)

Bill

Reply to
Bill Wright

That implies comprehensive feedback systems.

Bill

Reply to
Bill Wright

I didn?t trot anything out. He ran some line about where that information had come from and I just pointed out that it had come from him, in here.

Reply to
Ranger

Here's an extract from my forthcoming novelette.

My usual way of travelling home was to walk, running my hand in the privet until it was completely black. Everyone had coal fires of course, and soot was everywhere.

In autumn there were some very foggy days, and of course towards Christmas it got dark early as well. Those of us who lived on the other side of Jossey Lane would come out of school at four o?clock and stand on the pavement listening for vehicles. When it seemed possible that all was clear we would make a run for it, often tangling with an angry adult cyclist. ?You should ring your bell mister!? Sometimes, when the fog seemed to be coming down after dinner time we would be sent home at afternoon playtime. This didn?t cause problems because almost all of us would have mothers at home. In those days most women worked until they married, then regarded the house and family as their job. In any case there wouldn?t be any concern about a kid being in the house alone for an hour or two. Keys were left under mats or doors were left unlocked. Neighbours were on hand, because in those days people knew their neighbours.

Bill

Reply to
Bill Wright

I was a kid at school then. Some of my classmates armed themselves with torches and walked in front of buses to show the driver the way, and collected a hat full of coppers from the passengers for their assistance.

Jim

Reply to
Indy Jess John

Yup, I remember it. Just a month or so after I'd moved to London. Very hard winter too.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

Beat me to it. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News)

Dave Plowman (News) scribbled

I saw plenty, despite living outside of London.

Only yesterday I was looking at air monitoring equipment that's been used around here for over 20 years. The council have half a dozen 'machines' checking nitrous dioxide levels across the city.

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Jonno

Tim Streater scribbled

He's always throwing mud, time he got some back. Now he's told the world she's going to be sectioned. We had no reason to be told that.

Reply to
Jonno

Tim Streater scribbled

You tell him.

Anyone can post edit. Not clever is it.

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Jonno

Mark Carver scribbled

Wasting your time. You'll only be shouted down by the gang of children.

Reply to
Jonno

Did they have the huge scenery doors and curved corridors at LG as well then?

Reply to
Woody

Yeah, lot of interesting stuff going on - my site was attacked (rather clumsily - soon fixed) but I got an email from someone warning me, containing information that was not exactly secret, but would have involved a bit of background investigation on the net to ascertain.

Still that's what happens when you disturb fashionable bigotry. The petty thought crime people crawl out from under.

Radical fundamentalist eco-socialism is as alive and well as radical fundamentalist Islam, and just as bigoted.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Any reasonable stable existence in time implies that, Bill. Atleast if the object is not inert.

Or if you like it put formally.

"Only dynamic systems *with inherent negative feedback* persist in Time".

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

No, I didn't tell the world that, I said she was edging towards that.

Now once again, you select it, twist it and re-present it. As other than what it was.

With no regard for the person in question at all. Which is pretty inhumane of you.

In other words, a Watermelon to the core.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

There are feedback loops which regulate the planet. At this distance from the Sun, the average temperature on Earth ought to be the same as that of the Moon, namely about -15C. In fact on Earth it's about +15C. It's life wot does it, although not in the drippy-lefty-druid sense, as may be seen by reading Lovelock's books about Gaia.

Note: Lovelock was not a drippy-left-druid type, and was quite annoyed by those who tried to make what he was saying support that view. He was also a strong supported of nuclear power.

Reply to
Tim Streater

Eco-fascism, Shirley?

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Tim Streater

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