Just heard on the news that 'free' bus travel for OAPs is getting too expensive to be sustainable.
Yet many councils are spending millions on cycle highways. And cyclists get 'free' use of the roads too.
Really Dave that old canard?
Cyclists pay as much tax as motorists. VED (missnamed by lots as road tax) does NOT go towards road maintenance/building.
OK. How about putting it this way. Cyclists do not have to pay a tax that motorists do have to pay, which is not ring-fenced for road building/maintenance. In that sense, they pay less tax than motorists do. They do, of course, pay similar income tax and VAT, dependent on their earnings and their purchases.
Given that VED is graduated partly by vehicle weight, for HGVs, it is hard to say that it is not related to the damage the heavier vehicles cause and therefore the greater road maintenance needed, even if there is no formal link.
What about this lot?
When the Edwardian estate we used to live on was built, nobody had a car.Later, as car ownership expanded, householders paved or tarmaced over their front gardens and got the council to put in a dropped kerb. The situation has now deteriorated to the stage where it is bot unusual to find two or even three cars parked side by side, nose on to the house, with the rear ends over half of the footway.
About three year or so ago, the council announced that they would not grant planning permission for a dropped kerb unless the frontage was at least as deep as a car length.
It is a very large estate and I can't recall ever seeing a single house with a frontage that deep!
Not one of these though, presumably?
It is dependent on the amount of pollution in the form of CO2 emissions that the vehicle pumps out. Some low polluting cars pay nothing at all, even though they weigh over a tonne.
Bollox. No VED, and no taxation on their fuel.
But are you saying OAPs pay no tax? I've got news for you...
Who said anything about any tax being ring fenced?
The expenditure on cycle highways comes from the same pot - a mixture of local and national taxation - as does any subsidy for OAP bus travel.
What if they have a car?
Mm no vat on hobnobs and flapjacks (the go to 'fuel' of cyclists everywhere).
How did you get OAPs from anything I 'said'?
Bollox - their fuel is FOOD, which is usually taxed. Even bottled water is taxed.
Local roads are paid for out of COUNCIL TAX, so when you drive into another county, a non driving cyclist who pays that council tax is paying for the upkeep of the roads that YOUR car is damaging.
Also, if you drive one of these, you pay £0 VED anyway.
Or one of these cars?
if you car has clear lacquer finish as most do its going to be hard to remove the paint transference without damaging your clear coat if car is newish you would be best to take to a bodyshop and pay for it to be done or if you must diy Tcut put it on with cotton bud let dry then rub off you may need to repeat quite a few times
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I though he was 'heard in the streets in his Triumph (so obviously had a working flux capacitor). ;-)
Cheers, T i m
What if they have two? They can't be used at the same time.
Then the motorist pays that in addition.
Because my post was mainly about some councils saying they could no longer afford free travel for OAPs. The bit you chose to ignore.
Not all roads within a council area are paid for out of council tax. And those direct ones - where they are more likely to provide cycle lanes - also more likely to be paid for by national funds. Oh - making those main roads less attractive to general traffic is likely to force it onto side roads. An argument which seems to have won in the north London cycle highway debate.
Ok then. Abolish all taxes specific to road vehicles. Like VED and the extra taxes on petrol and diesel. Then you'd have a level playing field.
Thanks for confirming you either didn't read or understand my post. No surprise there.
Obviously not. ;-)
Tired at this time of day? You need to get that seem to. After the optician.
Do you suffer from Aspergers? You seem to take an expression too literally. Perhaps counselling would help? Have you approached your doctor on this subject?
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