adding new kitchen sockets without part P

The 'pro' would not be able to certify the work you have done yourself under the Part P self certification scheme.

That leaves you with several options:-

Steve

Unless I mistaken, I believe youre allowed to do all those, but must also get the part p required paperwork for them.

It turns out that less than 1% of notifiable diy electrical works is currently getting notified.

NT

You are "allowed", to do all these, but they would be notifiable.

Not really. If you rig up something that looks like permanent wiring, then it is permanent wiring even if it plugs in.

Better make it look like a right temporary lash-up then :-)

Owain

thank you, that is very useful.

Robert

So, if you screw a 4-way extender to your wall, and clip the lead to the skirting (still terminating in a 13A plug), is this notifiable?

No.

Adam

No - and you could daisy-chain several of those together if you wished!

The *total* load from all the sockets would have to be less than 13A though.

You are probably ok with extension leads. However if you wired up sockets with T&E cable, chased them in etc, then fitting a plug would not make them "temporary". Same would apply if you wired a fixed appliance that way (like a boiler).

Indeed. So what happens? Lots of people adopt solutions which don't require Part P notification - but which are inherently less safe! Why can't the bunch of comedians who purport to run our country *understand* that?

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:52:52 +0100 someone who may be "Roger Mills" wrote this:-

Perhaps someone funded their political party.

I am not aware of anywhere where waste collection frequency has been reduced. In many places the frequency is greater than it was.

What has been changed is what is collected on a particular collection. In the bad old days everything was collected and put into a hole. In the 21st Century we need to be rather more intelligent than that.

The end result is that frequency of collection of certain types of waste (e.g. food waste) has reduced in some areas.

In some cases, introducing a recycling scheme at the same time, (here none previously existed, allows the reporting of healthy recycling figures as a justification. What we are not told is what the recycling rate would be had it been introduced in parallel with existing waste collection.

MBQ

Indeed. As the stench emanating from the bins in my village will likely testify to, once it achieves sapience (which won't be long at this rate...).

-- Rob

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:40:25 -0700 someone who may be " snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com" wrote this:-

It has. Generally people have found that this is not as great a problem as they thought it would be. Some people do complain of problems, though if they bought less food they would save money and not throw so much away.

Anyway, wormeries, green cones and compost bins deal with all or most food waste.

What we do know is that where residual waste collections have been reduced to fortnightly this has encouraged many people to start using the recycling collections.

Not everyone has somewhere to put a compost bin, nor use or store compost.

So the recycling should have been in place and encouraged anyway (e.g. through the use of smaller general waste bins), not used as a justification for reduced frequency collection.

MBQ

with such attempts by contributing to the Macro carbon cycle and burn my rubbish after dark if necessary. In 50 million years or so it will be back in the ground waiting to be mined as coal.

I think some people have got themselves horribly worked up over this. It takes me 6-8 weeks to fill my non-recyclable wheelie bin, and I only put it out when it's full. This has never been a problem. I do wonder if the fuss is rather more about a perceived reduction in service with no reduction in costs, which is in effect a rise in taxes? If there had been even a tiny reduction in council tax to compensate for the reduction in service, I suspect none of this fuss would ever have arisen.

... thousands of people would have been hurt as they fell off their chairs with shock.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:38:44 -0700 someone who may be " snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com" wrote this:-

Which is why I didn't just mention compost bins.