adding new kitchen sockets without part P

[David Hansen]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:33:21 -0700 someone who may be cynic wrote this:-

Good to see that you didn't have any convincing arguments.

[David Hansen]

On 14 Jun 2007 05:09:44 GMT someone who may be [e-mail] (Andrew Gabriel) wrote this:-

Indeed. Perhaps they have too much time on their hands.

One of the things recycling strategies are doing is avoiding the relatively large increases in local taxes that would be necessary to pay Landfill Tax if everything was put in holes in the ground. However, some people ignore this "detail".

Note that people have whined about pay as you throw, despite being told that local taxes would be reduced by the amount that currently goes into the waste service, so I'm not convinced by your suspicions.

[cynic]

You "really" believe that?

I truly feel great sympathy for you

[Phil]

In message , David Hansen writes

Swindon, Wiltshire! Gone from weekly to bi-weekly bin collection.

[stevelup]

Yes but they do weekly recycling collection - soon to include plastic bottles.

Composting is actively promoted for biodegradable waste with heavily subsidised composting units available with free delivery.

I actually think the waste services in Swindon are very good. It's worth pointing out that before we had fortnightly wheelie bin collections, there were no wheelie bins at all. Surely it's better to have a wheelie bin (with a closed lid) collected once a fortnight than to have a load of festering bin bags sat on the pavement for a week at a time?

If they were still collecting every week, no-one would bother recycling anything. It has forced people to think more about what they throw away which is surely a good thing?

Steve

[Andy Hall]

Why? the local authority should be dealing with the entire issue. they are being paid handsomely to do so.

[Stuart Noble]

Of course. Taxes are used to pay idiots handsomely to do what the free market could do more efficiently. In terms of local services, I don't think there's much to choose between bungling bureaucrats and unscrupulous entrepreneurs. Re-cycling in our borough is causing chaos around the local tip with permanent queues and much revving of engines. Much better to send everything to landfill, thereby raising the level of Essex by several metres and creating a GW flood proof zone for executive houses, golf clubs etc. Maybe I'll suggest it to Alan Sugar

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:20:38 +0100 someone who may be Andy Hall wrote this:-

An interestingly different change from your usual assertions about council incompetence.

The idea that everything should be put into one bin and then taken out of sight and out of mind to a building where the council will magically unscramble the mess and produce clean streams of recyclables acceptable as inputs has been tried many times. It doesn't work.

If you have come up with a magic way of doing this I'm sure councils will be delighted to hear from you. However, I suspect that instead you will adopt your usual stance.

[:Jerry:]

The truly stupid thing is, what causes the environmental damage (generation of methane) due to land fill still goes to land fill, and (around here at least) we now have *three* refuse lorries sculying around each week day collecting waste whilst pumping out even more pollutants collectively!

The cretins are well and truly in charge of the UK, be they the quangos and committees or the voters who vote them in! :~(

[:Jerry:]

Or to little time, hence why they just wish to throw their waste into the one bin...

How about just abolishing 'Two Jags' stealth tax?

That's all well and good, as long as people only throw in their own bins and don't make some other poor (literally) sod pay for their waste, many people can only store their many bins in their front gardens / yards.

[:Jerry:]

But neither do you Mr Hansen!

[:Jerry:]

Of course it does, many countries use such systems, the problem in the UK are NIMBY's and on one want to fund them.

[dennis]

The biweekly compost collection is just a fiddle.. They didn't collect the garden waste before and now they do.. its 100% recyclable so it ups the total percentage of rubbish recycled. It doesn't save any energy and probably costs energy. Good way to avoid pollution taxes by using extra energy.

I want to know why I can't put the rabbits bedding in the compost collection.. it composts well but I am not allowed to put it in.. I have five compost bins but I can't cope with all the bedding.

[Clive George]

There speaks a man who doesn't understand entropy.

clive

[stevelup]

I wasn't referring to garden waste collection - I meant composting to keep and use in your own garden.

I do agree that collecting garden waste is almost certainly a way of boosting the recycling figures though!

Surely they will take your rabbit bedding if you put it out in green bags on the garden waste collection week? I can't see them opening the bags to check what's in there!

Steve

[stevelup]

I'm afraid I don't agree with your viewpoint. I think that the local authorities twisting your arm by means of bi-weekly refuse collection is a reasonable solution.

It has forced people to think a lot more about what they buy and where it ends up when they have finished with it. What on earth would it achieve if the council went back to weekly collections of mixed refuse and then had to sort it all by hand? It would increase their costs and almost certainly result in ever increasing amounts of waste going straight into landfill.

Steve

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:33:11 +0100 someone who may be ":Jerry:" wrote this:-

Presumably you mean organic matter.

Around here people can put organic matter from the garden in the brown bin. After the EU Directive organic matter from the kitchen is not permitted at the moment, but this will change after the council build a suitable composter.

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:02:03 +0100 someone who may be "dennis@home" wrote this:-

FSVO "they".

Around here the council collected garden waste along with anything else. Separating it out has diverted material from landfill.

Next contestant please.

[Andrew May]

I'm not sure that this is anything to do with any EU directive. Around here (S Cambridgeshire) they initially wouldn't take kitchen waste in the green bin because the waste disposal company that they were using did not have the necessary licence for handling it. The licence requirement was brought in following the foot & mouth epidemic. Once the licence was obtained we were encouraged to put kitchen waste in the green bin.

Andrew

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:34:55 +0100 someone who may be Andrew May wrote this:-

There is one on mixing material which may be contaminated with BSE with garden waste. The way to comply is to build a composter that treats the waste in a closed cycle.