Square D electrical panel question

On 3/6/2016 11:32 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I've seen 220 or 240 volt outlets for through the wall AC. 12,000 BTU per hour and larger, most often.
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 12:56:59 -0500, Stormin Mormon

They DO exist, but are very uncommon.
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On 3/6/2016 6:44 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

i MOSTLY see them in APARTMENTS. Oddly ENOUGH, some PEOPLE think that 220 VAC is CHEAPER, but in the USA we pay for WATTS, which is equal for SIMILAR equipment usage.
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You use BTU as a measurement? That's "BRITISH thermal unit", something we used to use for gas, now it's in kWh, the same as electricity always has been.
That's 3517W. Our 230V sockets are 13A, which is 2990W. Although I get about 246V here, so it's more like 3198W. One of the reasons I use a UPS for my lighting, so the bulbs don't wear out. My voltage is from 241V to 255V. It's supposed to be 230V. I complained, but they're not obliged to fix anything under 10% over.
My electric cooker has a 30A connection, which is 6kW. My shower has a 60A outlet, so I could theoretically put in a 14kW shower. I've seen Honda advertise 80A outlets for your wall to fast charge their electric cars.
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We don't really have that much 240v equipment and most is fixed in place. The required outlets are all 120v

In the case of receptacle spacing, the safety thing is limiting the number of extension cords used and making it unnecessary to string cords across openings. There are plenty of people who say we have allowed too many things into the code that are not safety related. Manufacturers have a lot of influence in the code process.

120v equipment is pretty much limited to 1440w. Irons seem to function just fine at 1kw or less and we don't really drink that much tea. I am not sure you can even buy a dedicated tea kettle here. People boil water on the stove where they have plenty of power. We really try to avoid the use of portable heaters by having robust central systems but there are still plenty of 1440w heaters around. They cause a disproportionate number of the fires, usually in older homes with bad electrical systems.

Pumping and heating water, cooking, heat and A/C, running a spa and a pool. It starts adding up fast I guess Heat is not really an issue but when we do it we have toaster wire heaters. I have not had the central heat on in a couple of years but we do have a 1440w "electric fireplace" in the living room that my wife uses on cold mornings for a little warm up.

I imagine you have a tad more in taxes but we also use natural gas for electrical generation and that is pretty cheap here.
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On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 11:41:24 AM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

They are actually readily available. Most places that sell toaster, mixers, coffee makers, etc should have them. They are called electric kettles. I'd post a link, but it's too long. I have one, very handy, use it to make coffee every morning. But then I use a French press to make coffee, most people probably use a coffee maker.
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Long links work fine. Some computers fuck up and wrap them, but you can piece it back together.

Most people in the UK use a kettle and instant powdered coffee. We're too lazy to use a percolator and beans.
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Coffee has been elevated to it's own food group here and people will pay more for a cup of coffee than a beer. I am OK with regular drip coffee tho. I haven't seen perked coffee in years. I probably drink a liter or so a day.
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On 3/9/2016 4:19 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

And where does your ground wire go, where it comes in from the pole?
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I find coffee and tea tasteless. I like hot chocolate, fruit juice, and anything alcoholic.
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Put a shot of Baileys in that coffee.
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On 3/12/2016 7:21 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

oh yeah! I like to add some Baileys Irish cream to coffee in the winter time. My other option is adding some hersheys chocolate and cream. MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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On 3/12/2016 8:34 PM, Muggles wrote:

Stir with a neutral wire.
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Shut up.
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:34:27 -0600, Muggles

The closest I get to that is using up the chocolate milk in my coffee after the grand kids are gone
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On 3/12/2016 8:41 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

I make my own creamer, sometimes, out of eagle brand condensed milk, evaporated milk, and vanilla. That's all I'll add to coffee when I have it, although, I like chocolate in it, too, off and on.
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On 3/12/2016 8:21 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Or the end of the neutral wire from your square D panel.
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Vodka and fruit juice is better.
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Simply a different drink. I lean toward your northern neighbor and like a bit of scotch. I am unusual in that I also drink bourbon. Usually those are mutually exclusive. It is ironic tho, since good scotch is aged in old bourbon barrels.
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 11:41:00 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Actually lots of "tea kettles" "coffee pots" and "coffee makers" here in Canada. Indo recall not that many years ago friends from the USA buying tea kettles here and taking them home with them because they were not readilly available at home. I've seen them for sale in the USA when we've been down in recent years.

Everyone knows why. Same reason we pay a bit more (taxes) here in Canada. As the level of "socialism" goes up, so do the taxes. You choose the level you are comfortable with and pay accordingly.

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