It is *exactly* a business transaction. One person has a product to
sell and another has money to buy. Just like a retail transaction,
there are agents in the middle who operate with a set of rules that
they usually have no power to change. If you don't follow the rules,
Just because YOU never had that experience does NOT mean it's not true or
All you are demonstrating with such comments, is that you have spent your
life working at the low end of the food chain.
I had one job offer that went.
"We have heard good things about you
We would like to hire you to work X hours a week at $YY.00 (as per
union Contract) per hour.
All you need to do is come fully prepared to do A,B.C. those X
We will provide all administrative support.
Did that for 10 years on the side of my regular consulting job
I could have done nothing else but just those X hours a week, and lived
very comfortably of that income.
No, I just misread the post. See, when I'm wrong, I'll admit
it. Actually, k and I don't get along all that well. But
we do agree on one thing. And that is that you're a nonsensical
jerk. I don't see anyone else here that has much use for you
On 12/7/2012 8:38 AM, email@example.com wrote:
But you and "kwr" often seem like the same person. You both like the
silly schoolyard name calling. The only difference is the degree. "kwr"
likes to look even sillier with every pronouncement being "wrong", "you
are stupid" etc to let everyone know they are the self imagined smartest
person in the world.
As far as the "islander" his comments in this thread are extremely
accurate. Typically entry level and lower level job applicants fill out
applications. Higher level job positions no so much.
# No, I just misread the post. See, when I'm wrong, I'll admit
# it. Actually, k and I don't get along all that well. But
# we do agree on one thing. And that is that you're a nonsensical
# jerk. I don't see anyone else here that has much use for you
AS IF you speak for others
As to your opinion
Keep signing your posts with
Been a long time since I filled out an "application," and I can't
remember if they wanted SSN. In the "resume" world SSN isn't on the
resume, and isn't needed until you're on the payroll.
But my experience with that is a dozen years old, and
The way I see it the SSN isn't exactly "top-secret" anymore, so if I
was filling an application that had it, I would provide it.
Any Joe Shmoe car salesman asks for it to do a credit check.
Do we trust car salesmen?
HR departments vary widely too.
When I took a job running heavy presses and shears at IH in 1968 I was
called to HR after a couple weeks on the job. Stupidest thing I ever
On the application I had put 1 semester (6 months) of HS at CVS in
Chicago. Honestly saying I was a high school dropout. I also gave
them a GED from the Navy, and a DD-214 showing honorable discharge,
making that meaningless But these jokers called me off the shop floor
because they had found no record of me being a CVS dropout.
I told them my name was different then, and to check under that name,
and never heard from them again. Really lame.
It still is. I mentioned that my niece is the HR manager in a 800+
employee business. Typical hourly positions involve someone filling out
an application (most are done online on their portal). Other positions
involve someone from her staff calling someone to come in for a 1st
interview to meet whomever they will be reporting to. If there is
interest they make an offer and handle counter offers. If they hire that
person the necessary info to put them in the payroll system is collected
when they arrive on their first day.
May be, but it's the law.
"U.S. law requires companies to employ only individuals who may legally work
in the United States - either U.S. citizens, or foreign citizens who have
the necessary authorization ... E-Verify is an Internet-based system that
allows businesses to determine the eligibility of their employees to work in
the United States."
In other words, U.S. law says that only certain people can legally work in
the U.S. and the approved way to ascertain that is to check the proffered
SSN with the government.
Nobody is going to get to the application phase for 1000 prospective
employees to fill one job. You would not even look at that many
resumes. Usually they seldom even consider more than a few, enough to
call them back.
I hope you recogize the need to run background checks to
avoid hiring someone who is a fugitive? Or hiring a guy
convicted of embezlement to be your bookkeeper? Or
a night janitor who is a burglar?
Now, would you rather find that out before making the job
offer, when you can just politely tell them that you filled
the position internally. Or would you prefer to wait until
you tell them they have the job, then ask for the SS#, then
do the check, then have to tell them the specific reason
why they are now not getting the job? How about the
candidate turns out to be an axe murderer or a member
of the Bloods convicted of a drive-by? You want to make
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