On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:30:02 -0600, " Attila Iskander"
You really are a clueless shit.
Terminally stupid, clueless shit.
There aren't another kind, moron.
It's OK. Loser lefties always look down their nose at those who work
for a living.
BTW, I'm an EE. I was out of work for three months *last* year. I
probably filled out a dozen job applications and all required full
personal information. One, a state university job required it online
before any interview at all.
Applications for employment sounds like something mcdonalds would do. I
don't think I ever filled out a job application, unless it was something
the post office related to taking vigorous testing. Also never had the
opportunity to negotiate terms, but I have turned down jobs. I liked it
when all job adds included pay scale, back in the day ! My resume does
include my social security number, of course I don't need it anymore, I
An there you have another data point. A guy who not only
doesn't object to putting his SS# on an employment application,
he actually has it on his resume. I'm not sure that's such
a good idea, because presumably it results in wider
circulation of the #.
I'm sure they do. At least most employers large enough to have an HR
department use employment applications. A lot of information is
needed during the hiring process and the application is the way to
collect it all at once. Asking for it piece at a time is nuts.
Assuming you've worked, it's hard to believe that you've never filled
out a job application. How did they collect all of your personal
information needed during the hiring process?
The salary has always been part of the employment negotiations, often
way ahead of any offer. It's usually discussed in broad terms
(minimums, expected ranges, etc.) at the first contact. As far as
posted pay scales, I've never had a job where this information was
public knowledge. I've never had any idea what my cow-orkers made,
nor they, mine.
I certainly wouldn't post my SSN on a resume. I don't even include my
address or any identifying information more than my name and an email
address. I guess my cell phone number is on there too.
Exactly, too much potential for litigation. My niece is the HR manager
for a ~ 800 employee company and one of her staff spends a good portion
of her time keeping up with various regulatory and compliance stuff
involved in running the business.
So then you have to ask yourself. How lucky to you feel today?
Is it worth having the prospective employer throw the application
in the trash because you didn't supply the SS#? With unemployment
at 8% I know what my answer would be. But on the other hand
when you can collect unemployment for 2 years, food stamps,
free healthcare, I guess that changes the equation. In fact, maybe
leaving it off is a good idea. One way to go on those job interviews
and make sure you don't get the job.
On 12/6/2012 9:22 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Like all things in life it isn't a black and white scenario that you
After all this is nothing but a business transaction. You are offering
something for sale and someone may want to buy it. Terms and conditions
are a moving target.
If say it is a position at the big box mart chances are you are going
nowhere if you don't absolutely comply with whatever procedures are in
place. But say it is a skilled or professional position. Then you have
bargaining room. The employer makes an offer and you make a counter
offer. Everytime I accepted a position there was a period of negotiation
with offers and counter offers leading into it. If we agreed the usual
deal on the first day was a request to "stop by HR and give them
information so they can enter you into the payroll system".
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