OT Windows 10

M$ would never have people trolling the blogs and forums. Would they?

A good example is browser support. Internet explorer 8 was the last that would run on XP. IE 11 is the last version for Win 7. So, if you stuck with XP while they still had limited security updates for it, you had an old browser and as time moved on, more and more websites would not work with it. I saw exactly that happen on an older notebook that I still occasionally used with XP on it. If you move from Win 7 to 10 for free, you're on a fully supported OS in year one of it's lifecycle. That sounds like a good thing to me.

Now, I'm sure you'll tell me that I could go and get Firefox, ie change the application, etc, but it proves the point that there is a lot more going on than just security fixes and that it does matter.

Irrelevant. If you want to stay with an OS that's no longer fully supported instead of switching to the free new one, that's your choice. But don't tell us that there is no downside to sticking with Win 7, that's entered it's final phase.

Now you're just being completely silly.

I think you don't understand how the industry works.

Because you don't know what software you might want to use at some point won't work on Win 7, but will on Win 10. Look at the simple example of Windows Explorer I outlined.

Again you're being silly. To think that new software targeted for Windows PCs won't run on Win 10 is absurd.

And again, in the case of Win 10, for the next year I can upgrade for FREE. After that, it's going to cost a substantial amount of money. And again, what you just outlined above is exactly the uncertainty that you deny exists.

Wrong. It included improvements to the product. See the simple example of Windows Explorer.

The idea that you must have

You've got it totally wrong. One more time, the upgrade is FREE for the next year.

I think I know enough about computers, Microsoft Windows, and

You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Just the facts.

The upgrade to Windows 10 is FREE for those of us running Win 7 for the next year. Let's stick to the facts. I didn't say you should run out and buy a new PC. I didn't say you should run out and buy an new OS. I said that for most of us, that can upgrade for free for the next year, is to do the upgrade to Win 10 for free, so that you're on a new OS that's fully supported and in year one of it's life cycle.

No, but you sure sound like one of the paranoid, tin hat wearing Microsoft bashers.

Look idiot, you completely discredited yourself when you joined the other loon and posted this:

"M$ would never have people trolling the blogs and forums. Would they? "

You accuse me of being a troll for MSFT because I said it makes sense to do the FREE upgrade to Win 10 within a year while it's still FREE? Good grief. I'm obviously not a troll, but you're surely one of the true tin hat wearing loons that hates MSFT so much, that you can't think straight.

If you're afraid of the future, don't want to upgrade, do what you please. But don't come in here and lie and accuse me of working for MSFT. Good grief.

Friends don't let friends use IE for anything other than Windows Update. If you want to upgrade to 10 because it's FREE, have at it. I'm sure it will be a usable OS once they've fixed the bugs. Traditionally every other Windows release sucks so maybe they'll keep to the same pattern.

| > A good example is browser support. Internet explorer 8 was the last | > that would run on XP. IE 11 is the last version for Win 7. So, if | > you stuck with XP while they still had limited security updates for it, | | Friends don't let friends use IE for anything other than Windows Update.

I think his view is actually very common. Outside of the tech world there's a popular conception that getting updates=safe and not getting updates means you'll have cancer or an STD by the end of the week. I imagine there are millions of people out there right now who are just tickled that they're going to get the new shiny version FOR FREE!! They're not interested in knowing or understanding any more than that. They use default settings for everything, thank you very much. They use IE because it's there. And they won't opt out of any of the extensive Win10 spyware. They won't even know it's there.

For anyone who cares at all about any degree of online privacy, the brand new Win10 privacy terms should be read before proceeding. Microsoft is "going Google" in a big way:

Free to upgrade (if you don't count your time). Not free to use. There's too many disadvantages.

So explain to us exactly how I have to pay to use Win 10. And why I've read several articles about upgrading and when discussing the pros and cons, none of them say any such thing.

I'm running Windows 10 now. I can restore Win7 or Win8.1 images in 5 minutes if need be. I turned the "spyware" off, and disabled Cortana. Same with Bing and Edge. Using IE11, as I have since it was released. It looks pretty much the same as Win7. Win7-8 won't support DX12. Doesn't matter now, but it will in the future.

Of course not. They get advertising from M$ or its sub-vendors. Can't be badmouthing the hand that feeds. Gobble for Windows Update backdoor.

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Why not Edge? Seems to be similar to Chrome.

It did install a coin slot where I had a drive. Now I have to insert a quarter every half hour to continue using it.

Perhaps you can explain better what you said. I've not paid a penny yet and have not found any disadvantages over 8.1.

Haven't looked at Edge, but all sites I log into work fine with IE11. I won't change for change's sake. Need a reason.

It is supposed to be faster and more secure, but I can't verify that from experience. I use Chrome on a couple of computers and like it slightly better than IE11 because it works with searches and Calendar functions between my phone and wife's phone. I can see her appointments and she can see mine.

I've got Win 8.1 and was forced to buy MS Office when a client had trouble seeing images in docs from Open Office or Libre Office.

MS is acting like Apple and Android in trying to suck you into their store for more stuff.

For example classical games like solitaire ended with Win 7 and to get them back you have to go to their AP store. They are free but now come with side bar ads that cost maybe a dollar a month to remove.

With MS Word, the first document saving option is the cloud where I guess they profit too.

Just saw an article from Mozilla where they are pissed that Win 10 default browser is Edge. Bet there are ads on their home page.

I got a better version from

Did they expect different? Edge has no ads. So far, it works, nothing exceptional that I've found.

And another tin hat wearing MSFT hater weighs in, again with no supporting evidence of anything.

Thanks for confirming what I've seen from several other reviews so far. Sure are a lot of tin hat wearing MSFT bashers. If they charged for it, of course then they would be bitching about *that*.