I'm the other way 'round; my preferred/required applications include
some which won't run past XP and I see no reason to spend thousands for
new versions while the old are still functional for what I use them for
(particularly since no longer consulting and there's no revenue stream
against which to write of the cost). If'fen Bill's minions or his
Foundation want to use some of their gains to update those, _then_ I'll
think about a new OS.
Mainstream support for Window 7 ended in January. 'Mainstream' means
non-security updates, phone support, and so on. Security updates will
end in January of 2020.
To put it in context, extended support for XP ended in April of 2014. At
that time, 27% of the systems were still running XP despite all the FUD
campaigning to get people to move on. That includes many businesses.
I'm still running one box with 2000. Newer applications won't install
but it does what it does as well as it ever did. If you're happy with
you Windows 7, you can keep your Windows 7.
As people start using 10, consumer satisfaction will determine its
success. It didn't take long for the word to get out that Vista and 8
sucked badly. Microsoft is betting a lot that 10 will have a warmer
reception. It's not only MS either. PC and tablet sales have flatlined
and the industry hopes the new OS will stimulate new hardware sales.
The future of Windows 7 is not at all "uncertain". Microsoft has
already committed themselves to supplying security patches for at least
the next five years. Unless there's some feature you need that a later
version includes, there's no reason you can't comfortably continue to
use Windows 7 for many more years.
On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:11:31 PM UTC-4, Nil wrote:
Security patches yes. Other fixes, improvements, etc already ended
this January when MSFT ended mainstream support. Just because there
is a security patch commitment doesn't mean that new software will run
on it, MSFT will fix bugs, make improvements, etc.
That sounds like uncertainty to me. How do I know what software
will be coming out in the future, that it will run and be supported
on a OS that MSFT has already ended mainstream support for? By
getting Win 10 for free, you're on the newest release that is fully
supported. And that ability to upgrade for free ends in one year.
That's my point.
What new features would you expect? There were no new features added
to Windows 7 for years even before "mainstream support" ended. The
purpose of an OS is to host applications, and not many features are
needed. If I want to OS to do something that it doesn't do now, I'll
get a program that does it. I don't expect the OS to do everything.
Anyway most of those "features" are really just bundled-in,
dumbed-down "lite" versions of better, more full-featured programs
that are available elsewhere.
But they will never, ever guarantee that all new software from
anybody forever will run on it.
What bugs fixes and improvements do you want to see from Windows 7?
It's a fully mature product and just about anything I might consider
to be a bug is already fixed or there are viable workarounds or I've
gotten used to it.
And if you think that Microsoft is going to fix every little bug in
Windows 10, I think you've another thing coming.
It does?? How so?
You don't. You don't know that about Windows 10, either.
I've been using computers for decades and I have a good sense of
what will work and what won't, and if it doesn't I'm pretty good at
making it work or coming up with workarounds and alternatives if
needed. If and when it comes down to the point that I must upgrade
Windows in order to do the work I need to do, I'll consider it then.
But I'm quite certain that it will be several years before I even
need to think about it.
The promise of "support" is weak and misleading in this case. It
only means providing security fixes, which will keep happening with
Win7 for years, and bug fixes, of which many are needed in Windows
10 and virtually none in Windows 7. The idea that you must have
"support" or die is what's known as [F]ear, [U]ncertainty and
[D]oubt, that is, trying to coerce you spend money with vague,
unspecific intimations of the horror that *might* befall you if you
don't. I think I know enough about computers, Microsoft Windows, and
the industry in general to know when to be skeptical. And in this
case, I know enough to feel certain that most people who are
satisfied running Windows 7 or 8 right now aren't going to be
better any off with Windows 10.
+1. I'll date myself by saying when I learned FORTRAN you submitted
your program on Hollerith cards. FUD sells software and systems and
right now there is intense interest in selling boxes. The chip
manufacturers are bleeding, the desktop manufacturers are bleeding, and
tablets have almost saturated the market. If hyperbole can get Joe
Sixpack running down to BestBuy because he thinks his XP or 7 box will
explode next week, that's good for business.
On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 12:05:42 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
The upgrade to Windows 10 is FREE for those of us running Win 7
for the next year. Let's stick to the facts. I didn't say you should
run out and buy a new PC. I didn't say you should run out and buy
an new OS. I said that for most of us, that can upgrade for free for
the next year, is to do the upgrade to Win 10 for free, so that you're
on a new OS that's fully supported and in year one of it's life cycle.
I've got Win 8.1 and was forced to buy MS Office when a client had
trouble seeing images in docs from Open Office or Libre Office.
MS is acting like Apple and Android in trying to suck you into their
store for more stuff.
For example classical games like solitaire ended with Win 7 and to get
them back you have to go to their AP store. They are free but now come
with side bar ads that cost maybe a dollar a month to remove.
With MS Word, the first document saving option is the cloud where I
guess they profit too.
Just saw an article from Mozilla where they are pissed that Win 10
default browser is Edge. Bet there are ads on their home page.
It's a little deeper than that. Windows 10 is an in place upgrade for
Win7 and Win8 users. If they're like me, one of the first things they
did when the got the new machine was to download Firefox (or Chrome or
Opera) and set it up as the default browser.
Now the Windows 10 upgrade happens and you suddenly find your default
browser is Edge. That means you have to use it long enough to google how
to get the browser of your preference back. Just another annoyance. I
wouldn't expect anything else; they're giving you a new OS for 'free'.
I read up on that and you have to read the fine print during install to
choose your defaults. Kinda like downloading something and unclicking
express settings so you don't end up with some toolbar, Bing search, or
I was running Win8.1 with Firefox as the default, did an in place
upgrade to Win10, alter the upgrade Firefox was still there and still my
default browser. The FF icon was still on my taskbar. Quit spreading FUD.
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