Got a link to a tutorial on the subject?
Not hard to find snippets on the web, but it would be nice to
see a compilation in one spot.
I anxiously await the utility that turns off all that crap
in one click...and thwarts the updates.
| Quit spreading
| >> FUD.
| I read that earlier, all I can say is that it did not happen to me.
There was a discussion about this on Slashdot. It seems
that if you pick "custom install" you get to pick your
options. Otherwise MS switches them. This is the oldest
trick in the book when it comes to software. It's like putting
settings behind a button marked "Advanced". (Which is how
MS prevents nearly all IE users from blocking 3rd-party
cookies, which by definition are spyware.) The settings
options are there... for geeks and tweakers... but the
vast majority of people will never know. So for all practical
purposes Microsoft is switching people to Edge.
There are often strong feelings on both sides with
issues like this, but I think "spreading FUD" would be
difficult with Windows 10. It *is* a radically different
you do. They intend to show ads and push you
to buy their services. People can say, "Oh, but
I stopped the spyware and disabled Cortana along
with all the other services." That might work. As long
as they stay offline they might have privacy while
still having functional Windows. (Though the
Win10 calling home.) But for the vast majority of people
there's a lot of information about this version of Windows
that they *should* know about.
It did install a coin slot where I had a drive. Now I have to insert a
quarter every half hour to continue using it.
Perhaps you can explain better what you said. I've not paid a penny yet
and have not found any disadvantages over 8.1.
| > Do you really think MS is just going to give an OS away for free and not
| > get anything out of it? Maybe it's just to build a huge farm of lab
| > rats. The Enterprise edition is not a free upgrade and enterprises are
| > where the real money is. The insider program was the explicit beta
| > testers; now they've moved to the not so explicit beta tests.
| I've read articles that have speculated that after the one year free
| upgrade that you would have to pay a fee to continue to receive security
| updates. It seems farfetched, but who knows.
It's free for "the supported life of a device". But
that's just something Microsoft made up. They support
software, not devices. And that time span varies from
2-4 years. So basically they're saying it's free until it
isn't. And they've told their investors they expect to
recoup the losses in 3 years. Whether that's through
subscriptions or projected services income is not clear.
Apple no longer charges for OS updates, but they also
charge through the nose for devices and make over
$1B/year on their iTunes racket alone. Not to mention
their grossly overpriced phones made by slave labor
in China, from which Apple also takes a 30% cut of all
apps sales. And Apple customers are well known to be
suckers who happily wait in line to pay at least full retail
for stuff they don't need.
Microsoft doesn't have any of those options. They've
been *trying* to copy Apple. They bought Nokia thinking
they'd have a ready-made phone business. They made
Metro to cash in on apps. They opened the Microsoft
Store to go with that. But Microsoft is not Apple. They
have no talent for products. They have great talent in
writing software and they especially have talent for
milking monopolies, which has historically been their
only source of profits. (Windows and Office have been
consistently the only businesses in the black. And they
achieved that by ruthless monopoly maintenance.)
Also, as rbowman put so clearly and has been pointed
out by various journalists, Microsoft make surprisingly
little from Windows on PCs compared to corporate licenses.
The number of people who actually buy upgrades is
far smaller still. When Win95 came out people waited in
line for it. Recent versions of Windows have had no credible
update advantage. And PCs are relatively cheap. So people
just get whatever Windows is on the PC they buy.
Thus, MS can afford to experiment and try to get an "apps"
and services business going. However it works out, they
probably won't lose anywhere near what they're losing on
search, phones and all their other failed branch businesses.
Full disclosure: I also write software. I love Windows.
I think of Macs as a kiddie car with the hood welded shut.
Apple is the AOL of the 21st century. I think of Linux as
a do-it-yourself car kit with a few pieces missing. Interesting,
but not nearly as rich and usable as Windows. (And life
is just too short for typing in console windows. :)
Microsoft has made a very workable and flexible
tool in the past, precisely because they've been catering
to corporate customers. Microsoft has also bent
over backward to maintain backward compatibility.
Again because they need to support corporate
customers. I can write software that runs on Win98 to
Win10 with no extra support files needed. Linux "distros"
go out of date every 6 months. Apple is the king of
forced obsolescence. Only Microsoft supports their older
But MS have also shown themselves, time and again, to
be sleazy and untrustworthy. And their Windows product
is simply going downhill. I wish it weren't. I'd love to love
the recent versions of Windows. But I can't. Frankly I think
Microsoft is probably less sleazy than Google, Facebook,
Adobe and certainly Apple. But I don't really use the products
of those companies, so I don't criticize them as much. (And
there's no sense arguing with an AppleSeed. One might just
as well discuss salvation with a Jehovah's Witness or a
On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 8:36:23 AM UTC-4, Mayayana wrote:
Another tin hat MSFT basher.
Do you really, really, think MSFT is going to start charging
Ed a fee to use Win10 that he just installed, 4 years from
now? We should all forgo a free upgrade, just on some
purely and highly speculative nonsense that you claim
might happen? And if it does, it's going to happen anyway,
because OS's don't last forever.
And they've told their investors they expect to
And an Apple basher too. Are you related to Ralph Nader?
Bernie Sanders perhaps?
| Tell that to the Windows Media Center CableCARD users who have been
kicked to the curb by Windows 10.
| FWIW, Windows Media Center and Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Prime make an
awesome whole-home DVR system.
| Oh well, I've got until Jan 2020 to find a replacement.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about Windows
Media Center. I didn't realize they were leaving
you in the lurch. I was just talking about the
support for existing software. Microsoft does a lot
to maintain the "API" functions that software uses
because corporate customers tend to build custom
software. If a new version of Windows breaks that
software then the corporate customers won't buy it
and Microsoft loses their biggest cash source.
On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 8:44:28 PM UTC-4, Nil wrote:
A good example is browser support. Internet explorer 8 was the last
that would run on XP. IE 11 is the last version for Win 7. So, if
you stuck with XP while they still had limited security updates for it,
you had an old browser and as time moved on, more and more websites
would not work with it. I saw exactly that happen on an older notebook
that I still occasionally used with XP on it. If you move from Win 7
to 10 for free, you're on a fully supported OS in year one of it's lifecycle.
That sounds like a good thing to me.
Now, I'm sure you'll tell me that I could go and get Firefox, ie
change the application, etc, but it proves the point that there
is a lot more going on than just security fixes and that it does matter.
Irrelevant. If you want to stay with an OS that's no longer
fully supported instead of switching to the free new one, that's
your choice. But don't tell us that there is no downside to sticking
with Win 7, that's entered it's final phase.
Now you're just being completely silly.
I think you don't understand how the industry works.
Because you don't know what software you might want to use at
some point won't work on Win 7, but will on Win 10. Look at
the simple example of Windows Explorer I outlined.
Again you're being silly. To think that new software targeted for
Windows PCs won't run on Win 10 is absurd.
And again, in the case of Win 10, for the next year I can upgrade
for FREE. After that, it's going to cost a substantial amount of
money. And again, what you just outlined above is exactly the
uncertainty that you deny exists.
Wrong. It included improvements to the product. See the simple
example of Windows Explorer.
The idea that you must have
You've got it totally wrong. One more time, the upgrade is FREE
for the next year.
I think I know enough about computers, Microsoft Windows, and
You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Just the facts.
Friends don't let friends use IE for anything other than Windows Update.
If you want to upgrade to 10 because it's FREE, have at it. I'm sure it
will be a usable OS once they've fixed the bugs. Traditionally every
other Windows release sucks so maybe they'll keep to the same pattern.
| > A good example is browser support. Internet explorer 8 was the last
| > that would run on XP. IE 11 is the last version for Win 7. So, if
| > you stuck with XP while they still had limited security updates for it,
| Friends don't let friends use IE for anything other than Windows Update.
I think his view is actually very common.
Outside of the tech world there's a popular
conception that getting updates=safe and
not getting updates means you'll have cancer
or an STD by the end of the week. I imagine
there are millions of people out there right
now who are just tickled that they're going to
get the new shiny version FOR FREE!! They're not
interested in knowing or understanding any more
than that. They use default settings for
everything, thank you very much. They use IE
because it's there. And they won't opt out of
any of the extensive Win10 spyware. They
won't even know it's there.
For anyone who cares at all about any degree
of online privacy, the brand new Win10 privacy
terms should be read before proceeding. Microsoft
is "going Google" in a big way:
I'm running Windows 10 now. I can restore Win7 or Win8.1 images in 5
minutes if need be.
I turned the "spyware" off, and disabled Cortana. Same with Bing and
Edge. Using IE11, as I have since it was released.
It looks pretty much the same as Win7.
Win7-8 won't support DX12. Doesn't matter now, but it will in the
It is supposed to be faster and more secure, but I can't verify that
from experience. I use Chrome on a couple of computers and like it
slightly better than IE11 because it works with searches and Calendar
functions between my phone and wife's phone. I can see her appointments
and she can see mine.
There are potential problems. I'm sure they will be addressed as soon as
they surface. Hopefully the bad guys won't figure out the exploits first.
| I'm running Windows 10 now. I can restore Win7 or Win8.1 images in 5
| minutes if need be.
| I turned the "spyware" off,
It states clearly in the terms that you
can't turn off all the spyware. It's simply
not your system anymore.
| Win7-8 won't support DX12. Doesn't matter now, but it will in the
To who? Gamers? They always want the
latest, but for most people who use computers
for practical reason, DirectX is neither here
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