A few weeks ago we moved from CT to FL and in the transition, got a land
line phone. The number were were given belonged to a person named Dan
XXXX. I know there is some time lapse before a number is reassigned,
but we still get calls for Dan.
My standard reply varies. Sometimes, it is "Danny passed away a few
months back and we miss him dearly"
Other times, "Dan is in Federal Prison. He won't be out for another 8
to 10 years."
Dan also got a call from Lyft offering a driving job. I talked to them
a while and told them I can start as soon as my parole officer gives the
OK. Don't worry, I was not dealing drugs, just bank robbery.
Another call was for health insurance. I asked if they could cover me
as I'm in Federal prison. The caller checked with someone and said I
should talk to the warden as they would have some coverage.
I'm just waiting for Dan to call and ask "any messages for me?"
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:17:01 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
What if you instead get a lawsuit for slander from Dan? Suppose he
loses a job because of it? Your real beef is with the phone provider.
If you just got the new number, why not tell them about the problem
and get a new number?
About 2 years ago I had my land line number ported over to the local
cable/internet type service. A friend had done the same to his.
Maybe years ago they were hard wired. Another friend moved to another
house and he asked for a special number for his land line that no one
else had about 15 years ago.
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 1:45:19 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The commonly accepted definition of a landline is any phone that uses
wire or fiber, eg it includes VOIP over cable. As opposed to cellular
or sat phone that is wireless. Most people getting a new line will
be getting VOIP, copper is rapidly declining and the carriers want to
be rid of it. If you want to restrict landline to mean only copper,
then that's what I would call it, copper.
Don't go all Trump on me here.
A land line is POTS.
If he had VIOP he would not have to change anything.
They don't have a clue where he is unless they sniff the IP address.
POTS can run over fiber, microwave or over copper but that phone
number dead ends at the Dmark on the side of his house.
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 6:15:53 PM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
Not in my world, or here:
Landline - Wikipedia
A landline telephone (also known as land line, land-line, main line, home p
hone, landline, fixed-line, and wireline) is a phone that uses a metal wire
or optical fiber telephone line for transmission as distinguished from a m
obile cellular line, which uses radio waves for transmission.
What is a Landline? - Computer Hope
https://www.computerhope.com › Dictionary › L - Definitions
Apr 26, 2017 - Alternatively referred to as a main line, a landline is a te
rm used to describe a telephone that is connected to other phones over a ca
ble or any other line. This term is often used when comparing or describing
a standard home phone to a cordless or cell phone that has no wires or lin
land·line | \ˈland-ˌlīn \
variants: or less commonly land line
Definition of landline
1 : a line of transportation or communication on land especially : a teleph
one line that transmits signals from one station to another directly along
a wire without the use of radio waves
Maybe. That's true if he owns his eqpt and has a service that
doesn't care, eg Ooma or Majic Jack or similar. You can take that
and plug it in aywhere there is an ethernet connection.
But if he has Verizon FIOS eqpt or Cablevision eqpt, he can't take that
eqpt and use it on some other cable system. He probably could port the
They sure do if they supply the eqpt to do the VOIP, which they typically
do. You think I can take a Cablevision/NY router from here and VOIP phone
that comes out of it and just put it on some cable system in FL? that
uses different eqpt?
No idea what that even means. As I and others here have said, we
have ported numbers from a POTS copper line to VOIP with no problems.
The phone number is just a mapping within the electronic switching
Not any FIOS I have ever heard of. That goes through the LATA just
like any other POTS line. It just leaves on fiber
FIOS is not the same as any of those internet services which are
really more like cell phones as far as the TELCO is concerned.
When you port a number, it is still going through that local exchange
and over the internet to wherever you are, on a cell you are
BUT it is in THAT switching system. As long as you are in the same
area code, moving a number is usually easy. As soon as you move away
from that hub (probably more than one central office, particularly in
an overlay area), not so much.
As I stated before, we had a microwave backbone in Naples that ran off
the Ft Myers central office. All POTS lines there ran off of RF, at
least for that leg. I have fiber to the end of my street and copper to
the house for my POTS line.
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 8:32:47 PM UTC-5, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
e phone, landline, fixed-line, and wireline) is a phone that uses a metal w
ire or optical fiber telephone line for transmission as distinguished from
a mobile cellular line, which uses radio waves for transmission.
term used to describe a telephone that is connected to other phones over a
cable or any other line. This term is often used when comparing or describ
ing a standard home phone to a cordless or cell phone that has no wires or
ephone line that transmits signals from one station to another directly alo
ng a wire without the use of radio waves
Not what? That you can't port a Verizon FIOS number?
Say what? Those VOIP services are nothing like a cell phone, they
are routed as internet packets. AFAIK, cell phone calls are still
on the public switched phone network.
That makes no sense. If you have a cell phone and port it to another
cell phone carrier, why would it suddenly turn into going over the internet
instead of staying withing the phone switching network?
I've seen lots and lots of reports of people porting numbers and it
has little to do with where you are, nor is there any need to stay
within the area code or central office. A lot of people have ported
their phone numbers to Google Voice, for example. Apparently they
can accept most numbers from anywhere in the country. People do
that to keep their number and to hopefully not have to port it again.
The essential issue here is what exactly defines "landline". If you
follow those definitions above, then by my reading of them, VOIP is still
included. If you can't get someone on their cell, and you say to
someone, I'm going to try Bob on his....? What word would you use?
Home phone would be an obvious choice. If you couldn't use that,
what would you say? I'd say landline whether it was POTS or
VOIP. IDK what else you could say, because in most cases you don't
know whether it's POTS or VOIP and don't care.
But you can't port a POTS to another POTS if it is out of that area.
Certainly not 1500 miles away
The "Al Gore internet" was actually a loop of fiber that goes around
the US with spur lines off to the major cities that got installed in
the 80-90s and that is where most of the communication takes place, It
is a big bundle of fiber with multiple users on different fibers in
VOIP is not POTS period
If you have a new Jersey number, that is where your call lands. If the
NJ telco ports it out to an internet or cell company IN NEW JERSEY,
they are done. From there a 3d party is handling it. The call is not
going over "phone lines" anymore and the telco routing is not being
Once it is on the internet it is not a land line in any conventional
sense. You can get it on WiFi from wherever you are. That is not wired
On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 7:53:28 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
phone, landline, fixed-line, and wireline) is a phone that uses a metal wi
re or optical fiber telephone line for transmission as distinguished from a
mobile cellular line, which uses radio waves for transmission.
term used to describe a telephone that is connected to other phones over a
cable or any other line. This term is often used when comparing or describi
ng a standard home phone to a cordless or cell phone that has no wires or l
phone line that transmits signals from one station to another directly alon
g a wire without the use of radio waves
To continue with this, I see others taking the definition to mean that
a landline is POTS only. But then they need to change those definitions
because they sure don't say that. With VOIP, you still have a wire,
cable, fiber, etc between the two phones, just on a different system.
Also, say you call up Bob on his
cell and he doesn't answer. So, you're going to say to someone that
you're now going to try him on his....? What? Home phone would come
naturally. But suppose you can't use that term, what would you say?
I'd say I'm going to call him on his landline, whether that phone is
POTS or VOIP. I'd say if you want to make it clear that you're talking
only about POTS then that's the term that should be used and I agree
that's the correct term as opposed to copper, though the vast majority
of those connections, virtually all of them to homes are in fact
on copper wire.
If you have a magic jack/vonage type system the central office is in
the cloud so you can have any number you like within reason but if the
local telco is sending you dial tone, your phone comes through your
local office, whether that is FIOS or regular copper. Your phone
number is captive to the trunks that come through that office, again
whether they are copper, fiber or RF.
Ed already said he could not port his number so I am not sure why you
are still arguing about nomenclature.
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 1:22:44 AM UTC-5, email@example.com wrote:
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long a wire without the use of radio waves
Look into Google Voice and see if you can explain how they can liberate
that local phone number. I think it's a two step process to port a
POTS line over. You have to port it to a cell phone first, then to
GV. But then that number, from whatever area code and local CO is
routed instead to GV and you can get rid of your POTS service from
your local phone company. So, you've kept the number, moved it to
Well, nomenclature matters and if "landline" is to only mean POTS,
then they should change the definitions in dictionaries and similar
to make it clear. As I've pointed out, I'd take it to mean any
calls that travel over land as opposed to wireless because those
calls are still traveling on land, between two fixed points,
at least in 99.9% of the cases.
Where a wire of some sort goes from a main trunk to a house. Numbers
can be changed, but that is the typical landline that goes back to the
1870s or so. Now can be copper, fiber, coax, but still a wire, not
They had an RF link between Ft Myers and Naples for decades. It only
went away when Sprint laid in their fiber backbone. Fiber to the house
is still rare to non existent here. They are running their 25mb
"Prizm" (TV, phone, internet) over copper for the last "X" feet,
either to the street box or one a ways away.
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