OT Idiot lights-out drivers

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The edge does NOT go away. Wheather a bike or a car, SOMETHING is occupying the road ahead coming your direction. Hitting a car head on isn't going to do any less damage to you than hitting a bike - - -
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On 02/12/2016 09:24 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Considering I'm the guy on the bike, I'd prefer some moron didn't hit me head on, or what is much more common, blissfully make a left hand turn in front of me because they 'didn't see' me. Car drivers only see other cars. Anything smaller than a minivan is off their radar completely. They *might* notice a headlight, but if it's just one little headlight in a stream of DRL's, they're going to ignore it.
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On 2/13/2016 12:01 AM, rbowman wrote:

People zone out when driving. They get "acclimated" to a particular set of stimuli -- then tend to ignore it.
If you want to be noticed, you have to stand out by "being different". E.g., a headlight that flashes, etc.
This is the rationale for every tweek to the safety equipment (e.g., now center mounted brake lights *flash* when first applied; it's not enough that they are UP HIGH, in your LINE OF SIGHT -- cuz you've gotten used to seeing them there and now "tune them out".
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On 02/13/2016 12:23 AM, Don Y wrote:

Brake lights should broadcast a wifi signal that flashes the smartphone screens of the texting driver(s) behind you when you apply the brakes. Or is there already an app for that?
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On 2/13/2016 6:38 AM, Gene Yuss wrote:

Ha! Or, "we interrupt this call to tell you that you're about to *ss-end the vehicle in front of you. Please hang up so we can autodial your insurance carrier..."
[Actually, I suspect there will be pressure for phones to report the "their" speed of travel whenever they "notice" a sudden, instantaneous change (decrease) in speed! Perhaps not legislated but, rather, insurance company incentives. Given how integrated telecoms are becoming with new cars, it wouldn't be hard for the car to "tattle" on the driver. IIRC, our owner's manual essentially says this -- though in an obtuse way.]
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Don Y wrote:

That is why when you pick up the new car, you have to spend some time with delivery specialist(usually young kids) asking any questions about this new gadgets. Not everything is in the manual.
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On 2/13/2016 11:06 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

What's in the manual is a legal disclaimer. I'd be willing to bet that anyone at the dealer would be incapable of explaining the *real* impact of this disclosure: namely, that someone could subpoena the logs from your vehicle to determine if you were at fault in an accident, to discover who you have talked with (a la Patriot Act) *through* the vehicle's comms, etc.
Sort of like google claiming that their tracking of your searches is to enable them to "provide a better search experience" (where "better" means "more profitable for its advertisers"!)
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:07:11 -0700, Don Y

many vehicles currently record the last "X" seconds of information - speed, steering input, brake input etc in a loop that is stopped when the airbags go off, so the speed at impact and weather the brakes were applied or not is frozen fr all time.
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On 2/13/2016 1:25 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Yes, it's called a "black box" (named for the "black boxes" on aircraft).
But, as many vehicles can (and do!) connect to remote servers, you don't really know *what* information the car is leaking about your driving activities.
E.g., our GPS has support for real-time "traffic" updates. If tasked with designing such a capability, I'd immediately posit: "Well, we have lots of OUR VEHICLES on the streets.
They each know where *they* are located.
They also know how fast they are traveling.
If we ASSUME that the drivers are trying to drive as fast as conditions permit, then the current speed of a particular vehicle on a particular stretch of roadway can be a reasonable indication of the traffic conditions on that roadway -- at this instant!
So, have all the vehicles report their location to our server.
Then, sort through any conflicting reports and update the real-time *traffic map* to reflect these conditions.
And, on the next update cycle, tell the vehicles what the traffic in their vicinity is like.
I.e., let the drivers be our data collection system!"
A side effect of this is that *your* vehicle's position is continually reported "for the benefit of others" -- not just when *you* attempt to contact the "concierge service", "emergency 911", etc.
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Invasion of privacy.
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Don Y posted for all of us...

The ECM knows all...
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 06:38:07 -0700, Gene Yuss wrote:

How about coded beeps from the horn to warn drivers & pedestrians close by who are NOT texting. I would not recommend this simply for applying the brakes, and probably the beeps should be a bit muted. But it could give a heads-up to those close at hand when:
1) The ABS is active. Usually, this means that the driver has allowed his speed to exceed the safe limit to bring the car to stop without activating the ABS. Possibly the car cannot stop to avoid hitting a pedestrian, and the driver will not have time to think about sounding the horn.
2) Automatic redar-controlled braking is was actived. Usually, this means that either the driver or a nearby pedestrian has erred in judgement.
3) The lane-keeping alarm was sounded within the car. Possibly the driver is impaired by fatigue, texting, or intoxicants. Warn everyone nearby.
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Incorrect, I activate ABS all the time. It means I'm fully utilising the ability of the car.

I don't have that fitted, but if I did, I'd be inclined not to bother braking for anything, and let the car do it for me.

I wonder, do those things activate if you change lanes on a motorway without indicating? Or is it clever enough to work out how quickly you're changing lanes? Surely sometimes you might change lane fairly slowly, in which case how would it know you hadn't done it in error?
I wish they did activate if you didn't indicate, that would stop all those morons who don't know what an indicator stalk is. Car will not allow lane change without indication!
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On 02/17/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:

Damn, I'm glad you're in Scotland.
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On 2/17/2016 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote:

It's a shame he doesn't also fully utilize his air bags!
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Don't have those.
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I think all of North America and half of great britaiin is glad the idiot is in scotland.
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You're one of those slow and careful bastards that gets in my way aren't you? Don't you feel guilty when you see 20 cars behind you trying to get past?
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Before you set out on a journey, ring your local radio station and say there's a teerrible congestion on your road. Everybody avoids it and it's clear for you! -- Jack Dee

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On 02/13/2016 12:23 AM, Don Y wrote:

Some bike riders install aftermarket headlight modulators that sort of makes them warble, if that's a word to apply to a visual effect. That may be illegal in some jurisdictions and certainly isn't wide spread.
I don't know how effective they are. After having people pull out in front of me when I was driving a 13' 6" high, 65' vehicle with a bright red cab and the headlights on. I find it safer just to consider my fellow motorists as escapees from a sheltered workshop.
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On 2/13/2016 2:26 PM, rbowman wrote:

Ah, I'd seen that a couple of times. I always thought the lamp ass'y was *loose* and bouncing around as the bike hit bumps in the road (though I couldn't *tell* that there were bumps -- or not -- just "that must be what's causing the light to bounce around!"

And, no doubt, they were *angry* that you CREPT UP so close behind them!
I *try* to be aware of what's around me. And, what *their* problems are likely to be.
E.g., you won't see me in the "road sheep" role (clinging in another driver's blind spot -- speeding up and slowing down to *ensure* that relationship remains constant). If driving next to a carload of little kids, I'll expect "Mommy" to turn around to scold one of them WHILE driving. When passing a truck, I'll be sure I've seen his *eyes* in his mirror as I head past. etc.
People take too many things in life as if they were "rides" at DisneyLand; as if they were not responsible for how the "ride" operated; that someone or something would magically keep them safe (from themselves).
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