I live in a rural farm area where there are a lot of big pickup trucks like this: and many of them have "disabled" window-tags or plates because there are a lot of old people around here driving them. My questions is: if you are so cripped-up that you need a crip plate, then how can you climb up and down into that thing?
Since this NG has a lot of old crips hanging around, I thought this would be a good place to ask. Your not working so you have the time to answer.
I am not old by today's standard(just going on 74 this year. retired in '96). I don't drive PU truck but I drive SUV. It is not easy to stoop down to get in/out of a car but getting in/out of SUV is much easier. This is the case at least for us. Wife's car is also smaller SUV than mine. Obviously you are not old, are you?
Old or young he/she/it is a troll . Ignore it and it will eventually go away .
"Terry Coombs" wrote in news:xU5Hu.32892$ snipped-for-privacy@fx04.iad:
No, I'm really interested in the answer. I'm a young 45 but would have minor trouble climbing in and out of one of those monsters. Whenever I see them being driven by a 65+ year old 350+Lbs breathless wobbler, I wonder how they get in and out.
OTOH, maybe the crip-plates they have are just a scam.
Per Zaky Waky:
Ergonomics is one possibility. Not everybody is 5'8" tall and most cars are optimized for wind tunnels instead of people.
I'm not in love with my F150 and I despised my Suburban.
But the alternatives were leaving oil stains on the headliner, spinal cord injury in a minor accident, chronically sore knees from pressing against the dashboard, having to drop into a full squat to get in or out of the vehicle, banging one's head on the roof getting in, and having the headlights from all those damn pickup trucks and SUVs hitting me at eye level.
Per Zaky Waky:
Maybe with difficulty if they're average height - but if they're 350, the extra room (including shoulder room) probably outweighs the difficulty.
I think there's quite a bit of that going around. In Philadelphia (PA, USA) the city politicians were getting handicapped tags at one time. Dunno if anybody's remedied that, but it's an obvious move for somebody with no sense of shame.
Also not everybody with a handicapped tag is obviously crippled. Some people can walk normally, but experience pain with every step and the more steps they take, the more it hurts - and beyond a certain number of steps, they're not going to get much sleep that night.
And I'm also guessing that there are people with severe pulmonary and/or cardiovascular limitations that restrict the distance they can walk.
Bottom line, though, I suspect there are more phony handicapped tags out there than most people would like.
OK , I can see that . As Tony said , they can be easier to get in/out compared to say a regular car . We see a lot of 4X4 trucks/SUVs around here but it seems the ones that are lifted/modified/monster tired mostly belong to younger guys . And there's a lot of handicap plates here as this area is a retirement destination .
4WD/AWD is almost a necessity around here , we couldn't get out of our driveway in winter without it . And sometimes that ain't enough , my wife slid on ice 3 1/2 weeks ago coming home in an ice storm and totalled her 4WD SUV ... and she learned to drive in snow country .
Reminds me of a friend of my Dad's. This was twenty or so years ago, when Dad and Vic were both alive. Anyhow, Vic relates the conversation as he was sitting in his big Ford passenger car (maybe a Crown Vic) in a handicap spot, with handicap tag on the miror:
Passerby: You're not handicapped! Vic: You consider a wooden leg a handicap? Passerby: Uh, well, yes. Vic: I got two of them.
(Vic had crashed a plane in world war two, and lost both legs below the knee.)
In fairness, I've seen enough people with tags get out, and nimbly walk in and out of stores.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:13:46 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote in
That's been my impression for many years. The VAST majority of people I see getting in/out of vehicles with handicapped plates or placards have no apparent trouble walking that I can see. Nor do I notice any signs of pain or discomfort when they walk.
The problem is we have an epidemic of McHandicapped people. They have eaten so many McFatAss burgers they now have trouble walking. They caused their own illness...and now the rest of us have to pay increased taxes to pay their medical bills.
Think your taxes are too high? Thank a McFatAss!
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When my Dad was alive, he'd give me ride to the repair garage in his Saturn. I have totally no clue how people get in and out of those. My S-10 Blazer is about my size.
You should have been a doctor. Oh, you seem to be practicing medicine anyway.
I don't have a HC plate and if you watched me walk to the store you'd think I was just another guy. I've had knee surgery, injections, and eventually will have replacements. Even though every step brings pain, you see fit to judge me otherwise. I hope you never need an HC plate, but there would be some justice to it.
Those "crip plates" are not just for paraplegics.
This NG seems to have a lot of kid trolls, too.
I repeat, not all of those who qualify for "crip plates" are paraplegic.
No surprise that Illinois is cracking down on abusers of handicap parking permits, especially when it cuts into their revenue! See:
Per Bubba:
I'm about three-quarters of the way through a book titled "Fat Chance" by Robert H. Lustig (Hudson Street Press).
The guy seems to have some serious credentials and the level of detail in the book is part of the reason I'm only 3/4 of the way through it after quite a few weeks.
My sound-byte-level take-away so far is that obesity:
- Is an almost world-wide epidemic and spreading
- Started in the 70's
- Is directly related the changed composition of people's diet.
- Is, by-and-large, *not* a matter of willpower or morality. Ignorance, yes, will power/morality, no.
I live in a rural farm area where there are a lot of big pickup trucks like this: and many of them have "disabled" window-tags or plates because there are a lot of old people around here driving them. My questions is: if you are so cripped-up that you need a crip plate, then how can you climb up and down into that thing?
Since this NG has a lot of old crips hanging around, I thought this would be a good place to ask. Your not working so you have the time to answer.
We have a crip tag that I can put on a mirror. Only use it if wife goes along. She is in great pain due to mutable injuries. She can barely get into a wheel chair from the car. Needs 90 % help at all times. Glad to have the tag. BUT I also see the miss use when the people use disabled parking and jump out of those jacked up trucks. I am old (86) but able to do most every thing. Like motorcycling trail riding with the grand kids. WW
+1
No, it doesn't cut into their revenue. Going after them enhances it. No issue with making any criminals pay (dearly) but I find people who judge others, without information, to be offensive.
Prejudice is distasteful, I agree. Apparently, the state of Illinois believes there is a loss of parking revenue due to those possessing handicap permits parking in metered spots, for long periods of time, at no charge.
It might be logical to assess levels of disability and assign privileges on a graduated basis. e.g., someone who suffers from borderline personality disorder certainly has a disability, but should it entitle them to a handicap parking permit on that basis alone?
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