Interesting story about home automobile gasoline filling stations in residential property
Dec 03, 2011 194 Replies
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Scott Dorsey
The thing about induction charging is that you get a lot of loss as the distance increases... it's greater than inverse-square law loss.
Not so much of a problem for a system you keep in the garage where you can position the thing so it's a quarter-inch away from the coil in the trunk when you drive into it. Not very practical for use on the highway where you have trouble maintaining a fairly close contact.
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The old associate the electric car with the flying car ploy. Nice! =E2=9B=BD=F0=9F=91=8E=E2=9A=A1=F0=9F=91=8D
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dsi1
Sure, it might be forced on us but the electric has some advantages so lets all try to grin and be happy! =F0=9F=98=9D
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dsi1
That's right! It was the stinkin' Roman's fault! They probably even top posted that "King of the Jews" stuff. Where were that netcops when we needed them?
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jeff_wisnia
Did you see David Bowie's portrayal of him in the movie "The Prestige"?
Jeff
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jeff_wisnia
I know what you mean. What my wife and I used to do for hours now takes us four hours.
Jeff
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M.A. Stewart
Wadya mean "stinkin' Romans"??... Romans didn't stink... they invented plumbing!
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dsi1
I did see that movie but I don't remember much about it. I'll have to check it out again. Thanks.
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dsi1
Good point! Let's just blame the Germans and be done with it. Don't even get me started with the Chinese and their side posting!
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Steve B
Indoor plumbing, outdoor public toilets (which there was quite a flap about on taxation), and homes with very very very large baths that were quite the thing. Not only from a hygiene point of view, but also from a social point. Quite the change many centuries before the Middle Ages when people bathed MONTHLY.
Steve
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krw
In case you hadn't noticed, the subject was transportation.
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krw
A quarter inch isn't nearly close enough. Any air gap will be inefficient. Why not just plug the thing in?
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krw
Nonsense. If there were advantages, no one would have to force anything on us.
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dsi1
You might want to rethink your logic. A lot of folks don't care whether or not there are any advantages. The only advantage they can see is the advantage of not having to change.
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Brent
That's how a top down command and control system works, or really does not work.
A minority so vanishingly small as to not be a factor.
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HeyBub
Quite a change when the wife rolls over, exhausted, and goes to sleep.
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worker bee
All the private residence complaints seem reasonable given those assumptions, except, perhaps, the hazmat leak complaint.
1) Fire Marshall (regulates containers larger than 60 gallons)
2) Zoning (prohibits structures closer than 6 feet to the property line)
3) Building (regulates structures greater than 120 square feet)
4) Hazmat (prohibits leakage but otherwise does not regulate gasoline)
5) CARB (regulates organic tanks larger than 260 gallons)
I've sufficiently thought it over and won't do anything more about it.
Here is the process if anyone wishes to follow in my footsteps:
Starting with a full 55-gallon drum & full vehicles
I fuel the two cars & other engines for about one to two months
At some point, the fuel tank is low so I need a gas station trip
I fill both the vehicle tank & I replenish the 5-gallon containers
I siphon the fuel from the 5-gallon container into the 55-gallon drum
And I go back to step 2 above.
Here are the costs comparisons: a) The cost for the equipment was about $500 b) The savings per drum vary greatly (let's average to $.10/gallon) c) That's only a savings of $5 per drum (ie cost can't be the key reason) d) However, the equipment does pay for itself over about 17 years
$5/2months = $30/year = $500/17 years
These cost comparisons are only rough estimates.
Sometimes I fill up more frequently & other times I can take advantage of price fluctuations, both of which lower the payback period. However, often, I am the victim of price fluctuations (like when I needed to refuel when gas was $4.35/gallon). What I often do in those cases is fill up 'just' the vehicle, until prices drop back to reasonable levels.
All in all, I can't justify this on savings alone.
The biggest benefit is my wife loves me for it.
In fact, she hasn't been to a gas station in years, and even I have started to enjoy the inherent convenience of filling up at home.
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dsi1
I don't get your point. How can a lot of folks be "vanishingly small?" My guess is most people in the automotive industry are scared to death of the electric car and the changes it will bring. No transmission, no radiator, an engine that's more like the one in your washing machine, no exhaust, no cams, no heads, no speed/power tuning, etc. We'll still need tires though. :-)
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dsi1
Heck, I'd like it too if you filled up my tank for me. As it goes, I have to fill up the tank for my wife. She ain't gonna do it. I get in the car and that gas pump light is lit. I hate that! Hopefully, I'll drop dead soon and then she'll have to gas the damn car up herself. Then we'll see who gets the last laff. Well, technically I guess she will because I'll be dead but you know what I mean...
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Attila.Iskander
Won't happen real soon The operating and infrastructure costs of an "electric" car are so great that they can only be sold with major government subsidies Not to mention the fact that most electricity is not produced in a "carbon efficient" manner. Can you say COAL BURNING GENERATOR ?
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