I don't know how long you can get away with, but I know that I can store
gas for the mower in September and it's marginal but usable in March.
So I would guess that is about the limit without adding a stabilizer.
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:05:17 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:
I use up all the Chevron in the drum in about six weeks (give or take a
few weeks either way).
This long-term-gas-storage Chevron web site says California reformulated
mandated gasoline lasts as long as any other gas, even with the corn in
it soaking up all that water.
They simply suggest you keep the fuel drum out of the direct sun (mine is
in a loosely covered shed) and to keep the 55 gallon drum as full as you
can to avoid moisture.
Two months is the absolute maximum my gas would stay unused, if that
long, so shelf life just isn't all that big of a problem for me.
Same here. I can't imagine what the convenience might be of filling cans
to bring home to dump into another container to then pump into the car
when I can just pull into a gas station and have the cars tank filled
and occasionally fill the small cans that I use for the mower and the
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 23:25:05 -0500, Home Guy wrote:
Cigarettes don't light liquid gasoline like they do in the movies, simply
because a cigarette is about 475°F (plus or minus 25°F) while the
ignition temperature of liquid gasoline is just slightly above that at
around 500°F. So, of course a very hot cigarette 'could' ignite liquid
gasoline - but not one thrown over the fence at me by my neighbor! :)
Fire is, of course, the biggest realistic danger.
Everyone manages that risk daily - for example, a one-car garage has
roughly 20 gallons of gasoline in it in metal or plastic gas tanks; a two
car garage has about 40, and a three-car garage has about 60 gallons of
gasoline in them all the time. It's way more dangerous to have gasoline
in a garage than outside, in a very airy structure to keep sun and water
off the equipment.
My gasoline is kept outside, in a very well ventilated shed (it's almost
not a shed, it's that well ventilated). Gas fumes in and of themselves
are not flammable but when mixed with air, then of course, they're highly
flammable in the right concentration near the floor of any enclosure.
The biggest danger is static electricity igniting fumes.
This can happen while fueling the vehicles at roughly 15 gallons per
minute from the automatic-shut-off 1/4 HP 12VDC electric fuel transfer
pump. To ward that off, the setup is well grounded, of course, with two
copper rods (for redundancy), and a 10BC fire extinguisher is always
nearby, just in case.
But a home filling station is no more dangerous than a commercial
gasoline filling station is, and, in fact, less dangerous if the puny
amounts of gasoline (55 gallons) are taken into account.
Horse shit! A burning cigarett _will_ ignite gas fumes. Yes, you can
put out a cigarette in a bucket of gas but you better know what the
1. Must be cold weather.
2. Bucket must be absolutely full.
Fumes are what starts the fire.
We once had a fire started near our garage by an unknwon arsonist. The
fire threatened two homes [ours & adjoining neighbor's] took out two
buildings [including our garage] and three trees 40+ ft high trees
with trunks so big two people would have to join arms to surround the
trunks. The flames were 60 to 80 feet in the air and photos made
national coverage. The fire was so involved one could easily get 3rd
degree burns being near it. In other words, BIG FIRE! Inside the
garage on a shelf was a metal, federally approved, 5 gallon gasoline
container half full of petrol. The car in the garage was totaled, the
paint all over the can burnt black and peeled off, but that can, and
its contents, remained intact! The firemen were VERY skittish about
its presence. So now I'm convinced to ALWAYS buy and use METAL fuel
storage containers, those things work!
Footnote on the garage damage the garage was originally built for
Model T, pre code construction, all redwood. The fire damaged the
building so much it was of cousre condemned as dangerous, labeled such
and the cost/burden to destroy the structure fell upon me. I hired a
worker skilled at demolition and it took him TWO DAYS to dismantle the
building, it was holding together that well. Probably could have
simply shingled over the roof and used it for another 80 years. Oh
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:45:40 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
Actually, it's a 55 gallon drum and I don't seem to get even 50 gallons
into it, strangely enough. But I generally fill it before it goes empty
so I haven't filled it from empty since it was new a few years ago.
I use the gas up within two months (generally a month to a month and a
half is when I refill) so I really doubt the seasons matter all that much
- especially in California where there is really only one, maybe two at
most, seasons anyway. There is a cool dry summer and a slightly cooler
wetter winter - neither of which has a temperature swing you can't get in
a single day in most other northern parts of the country.
My gas tank is about 20 gallons. The wife's tank is about 20 gallons. The
bike is about 5 gallons. And the lawn mower and a half dozen other
engines around the yard takes another 5 gallons.
So, a single fillup (which in practice rarely happens) will empty out the
55-gallon drum. I don't see how this amount is any different than most of
you out there.
Don't you guys have a car for you, and one for the wife, and maybe a
secondary vehicle? Don't you have lawn mowers? Don't you have other yard
equipment? I would think 55 gallons is the bare minimum since all it does
is fill the tanks just once.
What I 'really' want is TWO 55 gallon drums. Actually, I'd love a 200
gallon tank - but once you get over 60 gallons, you start getting into
fire marshall permits & transportation permits and anything over 260
gallons for delivered fuel gets you into air resource board requirements.
So, 55 gallons seems a bare minimum, at least to me. Maybe you guys go to
the gas station a lot more than I do? Or you and your wife drive the same
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 05:21:08 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I don't disagree we're not at all on speaking terms - but that has
nothing to do with the convenience of filling up at home.
I have no idea how many 'other' people prefer the convenience of filling
up at home. My friends astounded me when I told them because they
considered it 'additional work'. I consider it less work. Especially for
my wife who hates going to the filling station.
I guess it's all in your perspective of 'work' or 'effort'. To me, it's
trivial to fill up once every six weeks (or so). It just takes a bit
longer to pull the cans out of the pickup bed and fill them - but
otherwise, it's less work for my wife (for sure) and just a bit less work
for me (since I only have to fill up away from home once every six weeks).
Gas stations fill up thousands of cars a month. I fill up only a few
times a month. Big difference in the need for vapor recovery nozzles.
However, I 'could' add that little rubber vapor recovery boot to the
nozzle if I wanted to pay the extra hundred dollars for it. But, not only
is there no law saying I must do so, it's my understanding that there are
still states out there that don't even bother for their thousands of gas
I may be wrong though. Are there still states that do NOT have a rubber
boot around every gas pump nozzle?
I realize you're being sincere - and - I know you're a major contributor
to the alt.home.repair newsgroup, so I respect your opinion. And, I wish
to debate that, serious, with you.
Bear in mind, ALL my friends think the same way as you do, so I do
understand that you may think it loony. However, I don't. I really don't.
I liken it, albeit I'm perhaps pushing the analogies a bit to far to why
you have a well to deliver water to your faucet instead of driving down
to the village well to carry a bucket home every day.
Or, why you buy canned food so you don't have to go to the village to buy
fresh food every day.
Or why you stock up on batteries in case the power goes out and the
generator doesn't kick in during a power outage - instead of just driving
to the center of town to pick up batteries during open hours.
Or why you have more than one set of clothes instead of just washing the
same pair every day.
Or why you bring more firewood into the house than you need so you don't
have to go outside every time you run out of wood in the fireplace.
To me, it's the same concept. I do realize that most of you don't think
this way, but some of you don't have solar panels, a whole-house electric
generator, 1,500 gallons of propane tanks, multiple wells, a septic
system, solar pool heaters, etc., for the 'utilities' of your house
For me, it's simply one more household utility that needs to be
replenished every six weeks. (I wish I could go longer but regulatory
problems kick in once you reach tank sizes of 60 and 260 gallons).
Do you at least see a 'hint' of my thinking (if not the convenience, per
Good question. He's above me, on an open hillside. No house here is
closer than a few hundred yards apart, some are miles apart. Most are,
I'd say, about a quarter mile apart.
However, the lands abut. So, at the property line, he's only an inch
away, so to speak. He 'can' see my tanks just as I can see his clothes
hanging on the line (I, for one, use a gas dryer for the sheer
convenience of drying my clothes even though we have an absolute
abundance of sunlight).
I asked the cop about my suspicions. The cop shrugged and said there was
nothing I could do since it was circumstantial. He said there's nothing
wrong with someone complaining to the authorities.
And, to tell the truth, he's right. I only 'suspect' it's the neighbor
(who else 'could' it be?).
But, I don't have any proof whatsoever. They all said it was an anonymous
complaint. Plus, they've all visited in the past two months, and all left
saying things were in order. One even said I used a lot of common sense
in my setup, which met OSHA standards for commercial storage facilities,
he said, except for the secondary containment horse trough - which I will
add as soon as I find one locally.
You're not the first to suggest that - so I don't fault you.
I can only assure you that I 'wish' I had a second business making money
for me on the side! :) I have lots of very hilly unusable land that I
wish I could figure out a way to make money off of - but a single 55
gallon drum near the driveway isn't going to make me a whole lot of money
in any way that I can envision as a business. :)
You are beginning to sound like a troll. Typically when numerous people
give you the same answer they may just be right. I have never heard of
anyone doing what you are doing and it is definitely more effort. You
are just rationalizing that it isn't.
It is pretty tedious to fuel a car at a gas station and it does waste a
few minutes each week. So you could hop into the wife's car and go to
the gas station and fill it up instead of filing multiple small cans and
hauling them home and dumping them into a bigger container and then
filling your wife's car right?
No matter how you try to spin it, you are costing yourself a whole
bunch of extra effort and lots of time just to avoid making a few
stops at a gas station. Bottom line is your reasoning is way _out
there_ and you arent saving yourself anything.
Your friends are correct, you are loony if what you posted is the
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