Yea, I think that's what we're all trying to figure out at this point.
His neighbor was looking for a reason to call the authorities on him,
and didn't have to look far.
There's only 2 reasons why someone might want to maintain a small store
of gas in his backyard:
1) It's a long way to the gas station, and you're going to burn a lot of
gas going there just to get your gas. So get as much as you can in one
trip and bring it all home for re-distribution.
2) You want to save a few bucks by buying gas when the price is low.
It's just that you want to buy a LOT of gas when the price is low -
enough to last you a month.
I can't see either reason as being lucrative enough to justify the
hassle and the up-front cost in the tanks and pump. The additional risk
of having a large gas tank on your property is hard to quantify - and
just remember that it becomes more dangerous from an explosion pov the
more empty it gets.
Oh - your home insurance company might not like seeing this tank on your
property - you might want to check your insurance contract to see if
there's a limit as to how much gas they'll let you store before they
void the contract. If your neighbor was creative enough, he might try
to figure out who your property is insured with and give them an
3) He has a lot of off road vehicles to fuel up. ATV, snowmobile,
As for filling up the family sedan, I hate pumping gas once so I'll be
damned if I'm going to do it twice. We do have a few full service
station in central MA though, lowest prices around too!
Here in CT it is 3.53 if I pump it myself. Across the border, I can
have it pumped for me and pay 3.31.
OK, that brings up reason 4). He buys a large quantity when traveling
to another state with cheaper gas and saves $25 a load.
Transporting fuel of any quantity not contained in your vehicle's
factory designed fuel tank across state lines requires a federal
license to do so -- case else you are committing tax fraud on the
state of your residence by evading the gasoline tax on fuel you
intend to use within your state that you purchased in another and
making a federal offense out of it by crossing a state line...
Info on transporting.
I found nothing about federal laws and taxes though. I don't think
they give a damn about not paying the state tax. When I ran trucks, I
had to track the miles in each state for fuel use, never in a car.
Feds did not care what we did.
On 12/4/2011 11:17 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Likely Doug the landscapers incursions into another state is statistical
noise. But there are reporting requirements even if you transport fuel
in the vehicles fuel tank in commercial use.
The organization that handles it is IFTA:
Our former governor was a big proponent of handing all of the
Interstates over to the massively bureaucratic overfilled with political
appointments turnpike commission. He constantly made the false claim
that out of state trucks were not paying road use tax. If you are even a
small trucking company you must file an IFTA return that lists all of
the states you operated in and the mileage and remit the tax. So say you
filled up a truck in NY and drove across NJ, PA and OH. Even though you
didn't purchase fuel there you would need to pay road use tax to NJ, PA
and OH (and get a credit for fuel you didn't use in NY)
3) your town does power cuts, and you are tired of having to drive to east
no where to find a station with power, and then sit for an hour to get your
turn at the pump.
3a) for the gas to get to work
3b) for the gas to run your generator
4) you're in hurricane country, and want to be able to evacuate, without the
hour long wait for gasoline at the station.
5) you have a big back yard, and it takes more than a tank of gas to mow the
6) you're mistrustful of the JIT system, and want your own reserve of fuel
Christopher A. Young
Read the Book of Mormon!
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:30:36 -0500, Home Guy wrote:
There are a lot of good reasons not to transport & then store gasoline at
home for sure.
Valid reasons NOT to transport & store gasoline in legal amounts:
* Dangerous (for all)
* Tedious (for some)
* Cost savings are probably around zero over time (multiple things
Some potential reasons to transport & store gasoline in legal amounts:
* The wife loves not having to fill up (& hates anyone touching her car)
* It's convenient for me also (I don't mind what others invariablly seem
to consider too much effort)
* The additional danger 'can' be managed
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:10:12 -0800, bob haller wrote:
Actually, as far as I can tell, gasoline doesn't spoil all 'that' fast.
I use up the entire 55 gallon drum in just a few weeks, depending on my
driving of course. It generally takes less than two months to use it all
Even California blended corn-o-haul easily lasts two months from what
I've seen in the literature. HOWEVER (and this is a big but) ... EVERYONE
says gas doesn't last long but NOBODY actually has a length of time
specified that anyone else will agree to.
Hearing people say gas doesn't last is about as useful as hearing people
say life isn't what it used to be. It's meaningless the way it's used.
NOBODY but nobody can tell me how LONG gasoline REALLY lasts but EVERYONE
I talk to says two months is just fine. I even called Chevron and they
said there is no problem using their reformulated California gas months
after it was dispensed. They said WATER is the main culprit in gasoline
going bad - and they said that as long as you keep water out of the tank,
it should easily last the time I'm using it. They said heat also matters,
but, at outside temperatures, it doesn't matter as much as water does.
So, if anyone can find an actual TIME that others will agree to that
gasoline lasts in outside storage - I'd be the first one to listen to
them - but two months seems, by all accounts, to be well within the
agreed-upon stable storage period.
I might understand if you were buying when prices are low and using it
when prices are high. The whole thing sounds like way too much of a
hassle, more of a hassle than taking the car to the gas station.
Speaking of buying low, I paid $2.99/gallon earlier this week.
My only method of beating the system is to keep all tanks full as
prices are rising and as near empty as practical when they are
dropping = dollar cost averaging.
I could beat the system somewhat if I could haul a decent size tank
across the state line. Big difference in fuel taxes over there.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 08:33:07 -0800, Harry K wrote:
I'm in California so the state lines are hundreds of miles away - but I
could see this system working if you lived in, say, New York or
Pennsylvania, and all you had to do was cross state lines to get cheap
I suspect the toll bridges might have special regulations though but
there are plenty of non-bridge crossings which could save you a ton.
When we were kids, we used to do that with liquor, taking advantages of
the differences in state laws. (Uuugh, don't remind me of those days!) :)
Transporting more than a few bottles of liquor across state lines
which can only be used as gifts is utterly illegal... Alcohol and
products are required to have state tax stamps on them which prove
they were lawfully obtained and had the taxes paid on them... States
require that you have a proper license and permit to be able to sell
of those items...
Transporting either of those commodities across a state line in
of more than a gallon of hard liquor is a serious federal offense...
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 10:00:41 -0500, Tony Miklos wrote:
I actually did the opposite recently when the prices were hovering around
$4.30 a gallon.
At those prices, I stopped refilling the gas cans and just refilled the
cars as the prices steadily dropped.
When they got down to about $3.90, I started filling the gas cans again.
With my 1,500 gallons of propane, I can easily fill up in August
(typically the low of the year) which lasts me through most of the winter
at least. So I know what you mean about buying in volume to take
advantage of the cheaper prices.
If 'our' California special gasoline ever got anywhere near 3 bucks a
gallon, I'd run out and buy a hundred five gallon cans! :)
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