Interesting story about home automobile gasoline filling stations in residential property

Dec 03, 2011 194 Replies

I don't disagree we're not at all on speaking terms - but that has nothing to do with the convenience of filling up at home.

I have no idea how many 'other' people prefer the convenience of filling up at home. My friends astounded me when I told them because they considered it 'additional work'. I consider it less work. Especially for my wife who hates going to the filling station.

I guess it's all in your perspective of 'work' or 'effort'. To me, it's trivial to fill up once every six weeks (or so). It just takes a bit longer to pull the cans out of the pickup bed and fill them - but otherwise, it's less work for my wife (for sure) and just a bit less work for me (since I only have to fill up away from home once every six weeks).

Gas stations fill up thousands of cars a month. I fill up only a few times a month. Big difference in the need for vapor recovery nozzles.

However, I 'could' add that little rubber vapor recovery boot to the nozzle if I wanted to pay the extra hundred dollars for it. But, not only is there no law saying I must do so, it's my understanding that there are still states out there that don't even bother for their thousands of gas stations.

I may be wrong though. Are there still states that do NOT have a rubber boot around every gas pump nozzle?

I realize you're being sincere - and - I know you're a major contributor to the alt.home.repair newsgroup, so I respect your opinion. And, I wish to debate that, serious, with you.

Bear in mind, ALL my friends think the same way as you do, so I do understand that you may think it loony. However, I don't. I really don't.

I liken it, albeit I'm perhaps pushing the analogies a bit to far to why you have a well to deliver water to your faucet instead of driving down to the village well to carry a bucket home every day.

Or, why you buy canned food so you don't have to go to the village to buy fresh food every day.

Or why you stock up on batteries in case the power goes out and the generator doesn't kick in during a power outage - instead of just driving to the center of town to pick up batteries during open hours.

Or why you have more than one set of clothes instead of just washing the same pair every day.

Or why you bring more firewood into the house than you need so you don't have to go outside every time you run out of wood in the fireplace.

To me, it's the same concept. I do realize that most of you don't think this way, but some of you don't have solar panels, a whole-house electric generator, 1,500 gallons of propane tanks, multiple wells, a septic system, solar pool heaters, etc., for the 'utilities' of your house either.

For me, it's simply one more household utility that needs to be replenished every six weeks. (I wish I could go longer but regulatory problems kick in once you reach tank sizes of 60 and 260 gallons).

Do you at least see a 'hint' of my thinking (if not the convenience, per se)?

Good question. He's above me, on an open hillside. No house here is closer than a few hundred yards apart, some are miles apart. Most are, I'd say, about a quarter mile apart.

However, the lands abut. So, at the property line, he's only an inch away, so to speak. He 'can' see my tanks just as I can see his clothes hanging on the line (I, for one, use a gas dryer for the sheer convenience of drying my clothes even though we have an absolute abundance of sunlight).

I asked the cop about my suspicions. The cop shrugged and said there was nothing I could do since it was circumstantial. He said there's nothing wrong with someone complaining to the authorities.

And, to tell the truth, he's right. I only 'suspect' it's the neighbor (who else 'could' it be?).

But, I don't have any proof whatsoever. They all said it was an anonymous complaint. Plus, they've all visited in the past two months, and all left saying things were in order. One even said I used a lot of common sense in my setup, which met OSHA standards for commercial storage facilities, he said, except for the secondary containment horse trough - which I will add as soon as I find one locally.

You're not the first to suggest that - so I don't fault you.

I can only assure you that I 'wish' I had a second business making money for me on the side! :) I have lots of very hilly unusable land that I wish I could figure out a way to make money off of - but a single 55 gallon drum near the driveway isn't going to make me a whole lot of money in any way that I can envision as a business. :)

I gave 2 reasons in my last post why he might be doing this.

I did not anticipate this third reason.

Do the fumes make you high or something?

But you *are* bringing your bucket of gas back to your "village" by doing this!

And last time I checked, not too many people have a gasoline pipeline running to their home.

I might understand if you were buying when prices are low and using it when prices are high. The whole thing sounds like way too much of a hassle, more of a hassle than taking the car to the gas station.

Speaking of buying low, I paid $2.99/gallon earlier this week.

I don't know how long you can get away with, but I know that I can store gas for the mower in September and it's marginal but usable in March. So I would guess that is about the limit without adding a stabilizer.

--scott

I understand. Out here, everyone does 'something' against code.

For example, you're not supposed to grade more than a certain number of cubic yards of soil - but of course, nobody can even see you with a bulldozer, so people grade all the time.

Every once in a while a neighbor complains and they put a stop to it and stop them from touching the land for a certain number of years.

Likewise with cutting trees. Every single tree over a given diameter is a protected tree. You're supposed to apply for a permit to cut, even diseased or fallen trees (although the permit will be granted for sure for those).

If a neighbor complains, the inspector will come out and cite you for cutting down your own tree!

Similarly, there are quite a few 'unapproved auxiliary buildings' out here that have electricity or which are greater than 120 square feet. These buildings just go up without anyone but your one or two neighbors noticing the hammering and sawing noises. Since it's a scenic zoned area, you have to be away from the road by quite a distance (I don't remember how many hundreds of feet but someone once told me what it was and I was shocked at how far from the road it must be to be legal.)

Most of these well-lit too-close-to-the-road illegal sheds are completely ignored - but if someone calls the inspector out on you, you have to take it down.

There's even a guy whose pool layed unfinished for five years which I was told by a neighbor was because he tried to build it without getting it inspected.

Even the lines to 'my' built-in gas-fired barbeque I was told wasn't to code when the propane guy first inspected the house to fill up my new

1,000 gallon tank that I added after putting in a concrete pad. Apparently the previous owner put in a rather large pool shower & equipment room and barbeque pad without getting permitted and nobody complained yet. :)

Wow. I didn't know rats were a code violation. I have those big rat traps all over the basement! I get a rat a week on average and keep a jar of peanut butter in the garage just to bait the traps.

We do have vector control guys out here. There are three types.

One does mosquitoes. One does rodents & snakes. The third does bigger stuff like the mountain lions and deer and coyotes.

When the neighbor was foreclosed on, he put mosquitoe fish in their green pool and koi pond to eat the buggers and put up a big sign "DO NOT REMOVE THESE FISH" right next to the pool - so either the vector control helicoptor noticed the green pool or someone must have asked them to look at the pool.

As for the rodent inspector, I guess he would be the one to suggest there are rats, but, there are quite a few mice, moles or groundhogs (I never can tell which they are), rabbits, and rats out here that I wonder what you can possibly do that's illegal to attract them. Our garbage goes out weekly in three very large bins - blue for recycling, green for landscaping, & gray for trash (which is almost always empty as I can't imagine what goes in that bin other than food-soiled items not worth cleaning for reclying and not worth putting in the compost pile).

Likewise for the mountain lion guy. There's not really much he can do except tell you to fence your lifestock with a tall fence that has an overhang to protect the top. But I don't have livestock so I don't know what reason someone would call code enforcement on me for that. Out here, you can't shoot a mountain lion unless it's threatening you or your property anyway. We actually see them probably once every few years but we hear about them in the news about once every few months overall.

So, I guess I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with you.

We live in glass houses. There must be a code violation or two on almost every property out here, especially since I don't even KNOW all the codes (for example, I can't imagine what rat codes I might be violating just by setting the numerous traps).

You are beginning to sound like a troll. Typically when numerous people give you the same answer they may just be right. I have never heard of anyone doing what you are doing and it is definitely more effort. You are just rationalizing that it isn't.

It is pretty tedious to fuel a car at a gas station and it does waste a few minutes each week. So you could hop into the wife's car and go to the gas station and fill it up instead of filing multiple small cans and hauling them home and dumping them into a bigger container and then filling your wife's car right?

I can think of another reason. How about he's not buying the gas at a gas station but stealing it from some jobsite?

Here's an interesting story about a guy siphoning gas from his boat when a static spark ignited the fumes.

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You're certainly free to do what you want but I'll fuel my car at the gas station.

To each his own, but for the most part it seems infinitely easier to schlep down to the gas station than to fill up a bunch of 10 gallon gas cans, hoist them into the drum one at a time, and then put them back until the next time. YYM(obviously)V

Not even close unless you tap into the gas pipeline running under your house. Actually what you are doing seems to be REALLY close to going to the village.

Yes!!! Don't do it. Neighborhood fueds never turn out well. Find out who is doing it and charge him with harassment. You should lhave been documenting all that with dates, names, details from teh 2nd occurance.

Harry K

My only method of beating the system is to keep all tanks full as prices are rising and as near empty as practical when they are dropping =3D dollar cost averaging.

I could beat the system somewhat if I could haul a decent size tank across the state line. Big difference in fuel taxes over there.

Harry K

What convenience. I'll bet it takes you _longer_ to fill at home than it would at the station and you don't make special trips to gas up, just stop as you are going by anyhow. All that dicking aorund with cans, etc. is taking you a lot longer overall.

Harry K

With his reasoning I bet the next inspector toshow up will be from the white coat place.

Harry K

Horse s*it! A burning cigarett _will_ ignite gas fumes. Yes, you can put out a cigarette in a bucket of gas but you better know what the conditions are.

  1. Must be cold weather.
  2. Bucket must be absolutely full.

Fumes are what starts the fire.

Harry K

I agree.

BTW, out here, they send the ENTIRE fire department on EVERY call! I'm amazed they have all this money - but it's in their contract. No matter what the call, EVERYONE must go, trucks and all!

Interestingly, there are legal pot farms out here.

The fence them in and put up identification at the entrance but you can see them easily if you want and get in at night if you so desire.

I'm surprised all the high school kids don't crash them but I guess there is enough legal pot around here that the kids don't need do that.

True as to the normal amount of vehicls and gas but we do it the sensible way and don't waste a bunch of time schlepping cans around.

Harry K

How about:

3) He has a lot of off road vehicles to fuel up. ATV, snowmobile, tractor, etc.

As for filling up the family sedan, I hate pumping gas once so I'll be damned if I'm going to do it twice. We do have a few full service station in central MA though, lowest prices around too!

Here in CT it is 3.53 if I pump it myself. Across the border, I can have it pumped for me and pay 3.31.

OK, that brings up reason 4). He buys a large quantity when traveling to another state with cheaper gas and saves $25 a load.

I do understand what you mean by cooling off.

In the beginning, you want to call the septic police on them (if such a thing exists); then you cool off.

It's like when the obnoxious cops give you a ticket, and then try to give you a lesson at the same time (meanwhile, they speed around like it's nobody's business all the time, breaking the law left and right - and they don't ever get called on the carpet until/unless they accidentally kill someone - and even then - they put the kitchen knife in their hands).

Not one can be trusted, unfortunately. But that's a whole nother story.

Or buying _industrial use_ fuel at less tax rate than regular gas. Farmers get a huge break that way but it is very expensive to be caught using it for non-farm purposes. That is why the diesel is dyed.

Harry K

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